[Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 167, Issue 33

gilberto dos santos alves gsavix at gmail.com
Tue Dec 12 21:51:00 EST 2017


ubuntu simh  please see that we have ubuntu 16.04 lts for long term support
very stable.

Em 12/12/2017 19:13, <simh-request at trailing-edge.com> escreveu:

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>    1. Re:  DECnet for Linux problems (Ubuntu 17.10) (Johnny Billquist)
>    2. Re:  Simh Digest, Vol 159, Issue 26 (Johnny Billquist)
>    3. Re:  Simh Digest, Vol 167, Issue 30 (Mark Pizzolato)
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> ---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
> From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
> To: simh at trailing-edge.com
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 21:39:06 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Simh] DECnet for Linux problems (Ubuntu 17.10)
> On 2017-12-12 04:48, Tim Stark wrote:
>
>> Ok, thanks for let me know.  I now learned that DECnet for Linux is
>> already orphaned a few years ago.   CVS facility will go away soon on
>> Sourceforge.net.   I mirrored a copy of CVS repos and successfully
>> converted to Git repo by following SF instructions for conversion.  I will
>> contact them for latest Linux kernel problems.
>>
>
> Uh? Isn't Linux already using git since many years?
>
> I will now remove decent from Ubuntu 17.10 because it complaint every few
>> minutes and asked me to send report to Ubuntu maintainers.
>>
>
> Not that surprised. Linux usually have been very quick at changing
> internal APIs, making lots of code not work.
>
> Instead I will use DECnet over IP method and got TCPware and MultiNet
>> software to set up.  That allows accesses to HECnet.
>>
>
> Right. It will. And probably work better. But it does require a VMS box.
> But I assume you have that.
>
> I was looking for HECnet mail archives but can’t find them.  I have now
>> subscribed to HECnet list.  Does anyone know where is that HECnet mail
>> archives?
>>
>
> Nope. There are none.
> I do have all posts, but not in a digestable form, and they are also not
> separated from my private mail.
>
>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> *From:* Larry Baker [mailto:baker at usgs.gov]
>> *Sent:* Monday, December 11, 2017 5:21 PM
>> *To:* fsword007 at gmail.com
>> *Cc:* simh <simh at trailing-edge.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] DECnet for Linux problems (Ubuntu 17.10)
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> Linux-DECnet used to be maintained by Chrissie Caulfield.  She gave that
>> up three years ago.  You might ask Steve Whitehouse (steve at chygwyn.com
>> <mailto:steve at chygwyn.com>) or Eduardo Serrat (emserrat at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:emserrat at hotmail.com>)for advice.  I last worked on the code
>> several years ago for a DECnet/FAL-to-NFS gateway I built on a
>> Marvell SheevaPlug (ARM) SBC using Arch Linux ARM linux-kirkwood-3.16.
>>  (The latest Linux longterm 3.16 kernel at that time was 3.16.6, at
>> https://www.kernel.org.  The last Arch Linux ARM Kirkwood-specific Linux
>> 3.16 kernel was for 3.16.6 on October 16, 2014, at
>> https://github.com/archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs/commit/8be533de52d
>> 44d39b2b12999e979d4d377f5e2e5.)   I had to patch the kernel driver in a
>> couple places.  There have been so may changes to the routing layer and
>> networking in general in the Linux kernel, it could be a substantial amount
>> of work to advance the decnet driver any further.  Also, I found that
>> submitting patches to older kernels is a bit of a problem because of the
>> attitude of the gatekeeper of the Linux networking code.
>>
>>
>>
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> ---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
> From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
> To: simh at trailing-edge.com
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 21:42:12 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 159, Issue 26
> On 2017-12-12 14:52, Kurt Hamm wrote:
>
>> I am having a devil of a time hooking a physical VT220 into my Raspberry
>> PI Simh VAX.  Everything is setup and working beautifully.  I can telnet
>> from another computer with no trouble and get a vax login.
>>
>> I have a ttyusb0 connection.  I can echo text to the terminal with no
>> problem.
>>
>> I can configure Raspian to divert the console to the terminal with no
>> problem.  But, I can't telnet to the vax from the Raspberry PI operating
>> system.  I can telnet from another PC, but not from within the Raspberry
>> Pi.  So, that doesn't give me the Vax login on the terminal.
>>
>
> The reason for this is normally that you are sharing the network interface
> between the Linux box and your simh instance. So both speak on the same
> network interface. However, you do not hear what you send out, which means
> that you cannot communicate with anything else that is using the same
> interface. Essentially, the network interface does not loop back packets
> sent out.
>
> So, I tried to create a serial connection to the ttyUSB0 using various
>> means.
>> Method 1) attach ttix line=0,connect=/dev/ttyUSB0;1200-7n1 - This
>> results in an error that says non-existent device.
>> Method 2) attach dz line=0,connect=/dev/ttyUSB0;9600-8n1 - This seemed
>> to run successfully, but showed nothing on the terminal after a reboot.
>>
>
> Have you configured VMS to have the DZ serial ports as well?
>
> Is there a way to connect a physical serial terminal via /dev/ttyUSB0
>> using SIMh Microvax 3900 simulator?
>>
>
> Should be, I assume.
>
>   Johnny
>
>
>> Thanks for any advice.
>>
>> Kurt
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 3:05 AM, <simh-request at trailing-edge.com <mailto:
>> simh-request at trailing-edge.com>> wrote:
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>>     Today's Topics:
>>
>>         1. Re:  NetBSD 5.1 on MicoVAX 3900 boot error (Bob Supnik)
>>         2. Re:  DEC VT emulators on MAME (Johnny Billquist)
>>         3. Re:  NetBSD 5.1 on MicoVAX 3900 boot error (Mark Abene)
>>         4. Re:  NetBSD 5.1 on MicoVAX 3900 boot error (Mark Pizzolato)
>>         5. Re:  DEC VT emulators on MAME (Kevin Handy)
>>
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------
>> ----------
>>
>>     Message: 1
>>     Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 16:08:34 -0400
>>     From: Bob Supnik <bob at supnik.org <mailto:bob at supnik.org>>
>>     To: simh at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh at trailing-edge.com>
>>     Subject: Re: [Simh] NetBSD 5.1 on MicoVAX 3900 boot error
>>     Message-ID: <4ee0f9dc-071c-9ea9-fe74-48134c5e979b at supnik.org
>>     <mailto:4ee0f9dc-071c-9ea9-fe74-48134c5e979b at supnik.org>>
>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>>     You can get a pre-built Windows 32b 3.9 executable without Ethernet
>> (and
>>     therefore, without needing WinPCap) here:
>>     http://simh.trailing-edge.com/sources/simhv39-0-exe.zip
>>     <http://simh.trailing-edge.com/sources/simhv39-0-exe.zip>. It should
>> run
>>     fine under W10. See if it will boot NetBSD 5.1.
>>
>>     /Bob Supnik
>>
>>     On 4/18/2017 3:53 PM, simh-request at trailing-edge.com
>>     <mailto:simh-request at trailing-edge.com> wrote:
>>      > You shouldn't need WinPCAP merely to test if the CD image is
>>     bootable.
>>      > The point of the boot test exercise is to help determine if the
>>     problem is
>>      > in NetBSD or due to recent changes to simh.  If changes to simh
>>     are at
>>      > fault, I'll track it down and fix the problem.
>>      >
>>      >> I specifically want to run a 5.x version of NetBSD. I'm pretty
>>     sure it did
>>      >> run on SIMH 3.8-1 on Windows 7 before the upgrade. I need to
>>     downgrade a
>>      >> laptop I have to Win7 in the future and may try that. Until then
>>     I'll play
>>      >> with OpenBSD which doesn't seem to have any problems with SIMH
>>     4.0 beta.
>>      > The boot test I'm suggesting will be far less work than setting
>>     up another
>>      > system.
>>      >
>>      > Let me know.
>>      >
>>      > - Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>     ------------------------------
>>
>>     Message: 2
>>     Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:39:08 +0200
>>     From: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
>>     To: simh at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh at trailing-edge.com>
>>     Subject: Re: [Simh] DEC VT emulators on MAME
>>     Message-ID: <2e3a017d-0166-df35-3b92-11ab3a6912f4 at softjar.se
>>     <mailto:2e3a017d-0166-df35-3b92-11ab3a6912f4 at softjar.se>>
>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>>
>>     Ok, looked at the schematics now.
>>
>>     On 2017-04-18 21:53, Timothe Litt wrote:
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >> Since they're windowless, they are not EPROM (remember what the E
>>      >> stands for), but plain ROMs.
>>      > Nope.  I meant exactly what I wrote.
>>
>>     [...]
>>
>>     Good point about it being the same chip. I hadn't considered that
>>     possibility. I know that for some 27-series proms, there were
>> certainly
>>     both mask programmable as well as EPROM versions, where the mask
>>     programmable was more persistent safe. EPROMs have a risk of loosing
>>     their content eventually, even if not exposed to UV light.
>>
>>      > As for which signal you use for what - it doesn't matter.  OE
>>     puts the
>>      > chip into a low power state just as effectively as CS - assuming
>> that
>>      > the part isn't in programming or ID mode.  Since the part is never
>>      > written (in the terminal), this effectively gives you 2 CS pins
>>      > (effectively ANDed), and thus decoding requires at most an
>> inverter.
>>
>>     Not entirely true.
>>     OE should timing wise be done after CS and addresses have been stable
>>     for a certain time. And power consumption of the chip is related to
>> the
>>     control of CS, and is not related to OE.
>>
>>     While power consumption might not be a problem, and the timing can be
>>     solve, it does mean that driving CS and OE cannot be done identically.
>>     If you use OE as a CS, you should make make sure the address is stable
>>     some time before you activate OE, and if you use CS, you need to still
>>     drive OE at a point later in time, and not just tie them together or
>>     something.
>>
>>      > The 27C256 is a 32K x 8 part; it has no A15 (but the cartridge
>>     socket does.)
>>
>>     Yes, that was obvious.
>>
>>      > Keven pointed out that the odd chip is probably the character
>>     generator
>>      > ROM - thus the separate address and data bus - and it doesn't
>>     need a CS
>>      > or OE.  It's always reading something.
>>      >
>>      > As I've written before, rather than guessing, a few minutes with an
>>      > ohmmeter can sort all this out.
>>      >
>>      > I'm leaving that - and further exploration - as an exercise to
>>     the reader.
>>
>>     I seriously doubt it's a character generator ROM in the normal sense
>> of
>>     the word. The VT340 do not generate character output in hardware.
>>     It's a graphic terminal, which stores the text in the the bitmap, as
>> far
>>     as I remember (I seem to remember being able to go into graphics mode
>>     and affect text already written). Also, you have soft definable
>>     characters, so the CPU need to have access to the same memory the
>>     character generator would use anyway, and it has to contain some RAM,
>>     minimum. So it needs to be in the normal memory space of the CPU.
>>
>>     But there is indeed two address and databuses, so I think it's fair to
>>     say the two select lines are only used for a subset of the PROMs.
>>
>>     There might be data in one ROM that is copied into RAM at startup.
>>     Character definition tables, for example, I could imagine.
>>
>>     Anyway, most things can be worked out my doing the measurements you
>>     suggest, yes.
>>
>>              Johnny
>>
>>     --
>>     Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
>>                                         ||  on a psychedelic trip
>>     email: bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>             ||
>>  Reading murder books
>>     pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>>
>>
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>>
>>     Message: 3
>>     Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 15:07:06 -0700
>>     From: Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com <mailto:phiber at phiber.com>>
>>     To: Bob Supnik <bob at supnik.org <mailto:bob at supnik.org>>
>>     Cc: simh at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh at trailing-edge.com>
>>     Subject: Re: [Simh] NetBSD 5.1 on MicoVAX 3900 boot error
>>     Message-ID:
>>                 <CAPCE1iYZrkE19nrcTB-K-ZArhYi0
>> USyAZY0FRFBvCsQwMRw30g at mail.gmail.com
>>     <mailto:CAPCE1iYZrkE19nrcTB-K-ZArhYi0USyAZY0FRFBvCsQwMRw30g@
>> mail.gmail.com>>
>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>>     Should one want winpcap in Windows 10, all one needs is:
>>     http://www.win10pcap.org/
>>
>>     -Mark
>>
>>
>>     On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Bob Supnik <bob at supnik.org
>>     <mailto:bob at supnik.org>> wrote:
>>
>>      > You can get a pre-built Windows 32b 3.9 executable without
>>     Ethernet (and
>>      > therefore, without needing WinPCap) here:
>>     http://simh.trailing-edge.com/
>>      > sources/simhv39-0-exe.zip. It should run fine under W10. See if
>>     it will
>>      > boot NetBSD 5.1.
>>      >
>>      > /Bob Supnik
>>      >
>>      >
>>      > On 4/18/2017 3:53 PM, simh-request at trailing-edge.com
>>     <mailto:simh-request at trailing-edge.com> wrote:
>>      >
>>      >> You shouldn't need WinPCAP merely to test if the CD image is
>>     bootable.
>>      >> The point of the boot test exercise is to help determine if the
>>     problem is
>>      >> in NetBSD or due to recent changes to simh.  If changes to simh
>>     are at
>>      >> fault, I'll track it down and fix the problem.
>>      >>
>>      >> I specifically want to run a 5.x version of NetBSD. I'm pretty
>>     sure it did
>>      >>> run on SIMH 3.8-1 on Windows 7 before the upgrade. I need to
>>     downgrade a
>>      >>> laptop I have to Win7 in the future and may try that. Until
>>     then I'll
>>      >>> play
>>      >>> with OpenBSD which doesn't seem to have any problems with SIMH
>>     4.0 beta.
>>      >>>
>>      >> The boot test I'm suggesting will be far less work than setting
>>     up another
>>      >> system.
>>      >>
>>      >> Let me know.
>>      >>
>>      >> - Mark
>>      >>
>>      >
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>>     Message: 4
>>     Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 22:39:48 -0700
>>     From: Mark Pizzolato <Mark at infocomm.com <mailto:Mark at infocomm.com>>
>>     To: Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com <mailto:phiber at phiber.com>>, Bob
>>     Supnik <bob at supnik.org <mailto:bob at supnik.org>>
>>     Cc: "simh at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh at trailing-edge.com>"
>>     <simh at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh at trailing-edge.com>>
>>     Subject: Re: [Simh] NetBSD 5.1 on MicoVAX 3900 boot error
>>     Message-ID:
>>                 <03006E3FC39B5A48AB9DBCCC10109
>> 0A82E8242E585 at REDROOF2.alohasunset.com
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>>     Actually, the latest simh ‘supported’ WinPcap is npcap.
>>
>>     Npcap is part of the nmap project and directly shares the latest
>>     libpcap code.
>>
>>     Npcap has a BSD license like the original WinPcap did.  Win10pcap is
>>     a GPL package and is untested and unsupported for use with simh
>>     Ethernet devices.
>>
>>     Npcap is available from: https://github.com/nmap/npcap/releases
>>     <https://github.com/nmap/npcap/releases>
>>
>>     From: Simh [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com
>>     <mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com>] On Behalf Of Mark Abene
>>     Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 3:07 PM
>>     To: Bob Supnik <bob at supnik.org <mailto:bob at supnik.org>>
>>     Cc: simh at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh at trailing-edge.com>
>>     Subject: Re: [Simh] NetBSD 5.1 on MicoVAX 3900 boot error
>>
>>     Should one want winpcap in Windows 10, all one needs is:
>>     http://www.win10pcap.org/
>>
>>     -Mark
>>
>>
>>     On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Bob Supnik <bob at supnik.org
>>     <mailto:bob at supnik.org><mailto:bob at supnik.org
>>     <mailto:bob at supnik.org>>> wrote:
>>     You can get a pre-built Windows 32b 3.9 executable without Ethernet
>>     (and therefore, without needing WinPCap) here:
>>     http://simh.trailing-edge.com/sources/simhv39-0-exe.zip
>>     <http://simh.trailing-edge.com/sources/simhv39-0-exe.zip>. It should
>>     run fine under W10. See if it will boot NetBSD 5.1.
>>
>>     /Bob Supnik
>>
>>
>>     On 4/18/2017 3:53 PM, simh-request at trailing-edge.com
>>     <mailto:simh-request at trailing-edge.com><mailto:simh-request@
>> trailing-edge.com
>>     <mailto:simh-request at trailing-edge.com>> wrote:
>>     You shouldn't need WinPCAP merely to test if the CD image is bootable.
>>     The point of the boot test exercise is to help determine if the
>>     problem is
>>     in NetBSD or due to recent changes to simh.  If changes to simh are at
>>     fault, I'll track it down and fix the problem.
>>     I specifically want to run a 5.x version of NetBSD. I'm pretty sure
>>     it did
>>     run on SIMH 3.8-1 on Windows 7 before the upgrade. I need to
>> downgrade a
>>     laptop I have to Win7 in the future and may try that. Until then
>>     I'll play
>>     with OpenBSD which doesn't seem to have any problems with SIMH 4.0
>> beta.
>>     The boot test I'm suggesting will be far less work than setting up
>>     another
>>     system.
>>
>>     Let me know.
>>
>>     - Mark
>>
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>>     Message: 5
>>     Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 01:05:20 -0600
>>     From: Kevin Handy <khandy21yo at gmail.com <mailto:khandy21yo at gmail.com
>> >>
>>     To: Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>>
>>     Cc: "simh at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh at trailing-edge.com>"
>>     <simh at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh at trailing-edge.com>>
>>     Subject: Re: [Simh] DEC VT emulators on MAME
>>     Message-ID:
>>                 <CANk4W2OuRsR=uLH_856YSmrG4hJu
>> rJFUkn6tq_+HGWsAegh24Q at mail.gmail.com
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>>     Looking at the schematic of the terminal from
>>     http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/terminal/vt340/K-
>> TC-VT340_Schematic_Feb87.pdf
>>     <http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/terminal/vt340/
>> K-TC-VT340_Schematic_Feb87.pdf>,
>>     it appears that there are two 8031 processors. One (E57) uses the
>>     'P1 AA'
>>     bus and has the 51x8 nvrom, the other (E24) uses the 'P2 BA' bus.
>>
>>     64Kx8 ram seems to be shared between them.
>>
>>     1st guess, E57 does most of the heavy work (serial, uart, keyboard,
>>     etc),
>>     and the other E24  handles the display.
>>
>>     Also, for chip select,there is a 'P1 AA15 H' and a'P1 AA15 L' on the
>>     connector which should help with the chip selection logic. (ie. the
>>     inverter is inside the terminal, not on the card).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se
>>     <mailto:bqt at softjar.se>> wrote:
>>
>>      > Ok, looked at the schematics now.
>>      >
>>      > On 2017-04-18 21:53, Timothe Litt wrote:
>>      >
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >> Since they're windowless, they are not EPROM (remember what the E
>>      >>> stands for), but plain ROMs.
>>      >>>
>>      >> Nope.  I meant exactly what I wrote.
>>      >>
>>      >
>>      > [...]
>>      >
>>      > Good point about it being the same chip. I hadn't considered that
>>      > possibility. I know that for some 27-series proms, there were
>>     certainly
>>      > both mask programmable as well as EPROM versions, where the mask
>>      > programmable was more persistent safe. EPROMs have a risk of
>>     loosing their
>>      > content eventually, even if not exposed to UV light.
>>      >
>>      > As for which signal you use for what - it doesn't matter.  OE
>>     puts the
>>      >> chip into a low power state just as effectively as CS - assuming
>>     that
>>      >> the part isn't in programming or ID mode.  Since the part is never
>>      >> written (in the terminal), this effectively gives you 2 CS pins
>>      >> (effectively ANDed), and thus decoding requires at most an
>> inverter.
>>      >>
>>      >
>>      > Not entirely true.
>>      > OE should timing wise be done after CS and addresses have been
>>     stable for
>>      > a certain time. And power consumption of the chip is related to
>>     the control
>>      > of CS, and is not related to OE.
>>      >
>>      > While power consumption might not be a problem, and the timing can
>> be
>>      > solve, it does mean that driving CS and OE cannot be done
>>     identically. If
>>      > you use OE as a CS, you should make make sure the address is
>>     stable some
>>      > time before you activate OE, and if you use CS, you need to still
>>     drive OE
>>      > at a point later in time, and not just tie them together or
>>     something.
>>      >
>>      > The 27C256 is a 32K x 8 part; it has no A15 (but the cartridge
>> socket
>>      >> does.)
>>      >>
>>      >
>>      > Yes, that was obvious.
>>      >
>>      > Keven pointed out that the odd chip is probably the character
>>     generator
>>      >> ROM - thus the separate address and data bus - and it doesn't
>>     need a CS
>>      >> or OE.  It's always reading something.
>>      >>
>>      >> As I've written before, rather than guessing, a few minutes with
>> an
>>      >> ohmmeter can sort all this out.
>>      >>
>>      >> I'm leaving that - and further exploration - as an exercise to
>>     the reader.
>>      >>
>>      >
>>      > I seriously doubt it's a character generator ROM in the normal
>>     sense of
>>      > the word. The VT340 do not generate character output in hardware.
>>      > It's a graphic terminal, which stores the text in the the bitmap,
>>     as far
>>      > as I remember (I seem to remember being able to go into graphics
>>     mode and
>>      > affect text already written). Also, you have soft definable
>>     characters, so
>>      > the CPU need to have access to the same memory the character
>>     generator
>>      > would use anyway, and it has to contain some RAM, minimum. So it
>>     needs to
>>      > be in the normal memory space of the CPU.
>>      >
>>      > But there is indeed two address and databuses, so I think it's
>>     fair to say
>>      > the two select lines are only used for a subset of the PROMs.
>>      >
>>      > There might be data in one ROM that is copied into RAM at startup.
>>      > Character definition tables, for example, I could imagine.
>>      >
>>      > Anyway, most things can be worked out my doing the measurements you
>>      > suggest, yes.
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >         Johnny
>>      >
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> ---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
> From: Mark Pizzolato <Mark at infocomm.com>
> To: Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me>, "simh at trailing-edge.com" <
> simh at trailing-edge.com>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 13:12:20 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 167, Issue 30
>
> Hi Kurt,
>
>
>
> This is a duplicate of a recently reported problem with host physical
> serial port connections through the DZ device on the VAX simulator.
> Details at: https://github.com/simh/simh/issues/504
>
>
>
> I haven’t had time to setup the environment to test this so I can track
> down the underlying problem.
>
>
>
> Meanwhile, you can connect the physical terminal to the VAX simulator’s
> console port with:
>
>      sim> SET CONSOLE SERIAL=ser0;9600-8n1
>
> or equivalently on your system:
>
>      sim> SET CONSOLE SERIAL=/dev/ttyUSB0;9600-8n1
>
>
>
> The failure of your command:
>
>     sim> attach ttix line=0,connect=/dev/ttyUSB0;1200-7n1
>
>     Non-existent device
>
>
>
> Is pilot error on your part.  There is no TTIX device in the VAX simulator
> and the error message correctly reports that.  That command might work on
> the PDP8 simulator which does have a TTIX device…
>
>
>
> -          Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Simh [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt
> Hamm
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 12, 2017 6:01 AM
> *To:* simh at trailing-edge.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 167, Issue 30
>
>
>
> My sincere apologies to the group for posting a complete thread with my
> question below.
>
>
>
> I wanted to clarify.  I can connect the terminal to the Raspberry Pi via
> Raspian with no problem.  I would like to connect the terminal as a serial
> device within Simh.
>
>
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:52:39 -0500
> From: Kurt Hamm <kurt at hamm.me>
> To: simh at trailing-edge.com
> Subject: Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 159, Issue 26
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> I am having a devil of a time hooking a physical VT220 into my Raspberry PI
> Simh VAX.  Everything is setup and working beautifully.  I can telnet from
> another computer with no trouble and get a vax login.
>
> I have a ttyusb0 connection.  I can echo text to the terminal with no
> problem.
>
> I can configure Raspian to divert the console to the terminal with no
> problem.  But, I can't telnet to the vax from the Raspberry PI operating
> system.  I can telnet from another PC, but not from within the Raspberry
> Pi.  So, that doesn't give me the Vax login on the terminal.
>
> So, I tried to create a serial connection to the ttyUSB0 using various
> means.
> Method 1) attach ttix line=0,connect=/dev/ttyUSB0;1200-7n1 - This results
> in an error that says non-existent device.
> Method 2) attach dz line=0,connect=/dev/ttyUSB0;9600-8n1 - This seemed to
> run successfully, but showed nothing on the terminal after a reboot.
>
> Is there a way to connect a physical serial terminal via /dev/ttyUSB0 using
> SIMh Microvax 3900 simulator?
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Kurt
>
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