[Simh] text from openvms

[Sampsa Laine]

Ethan,

I use Kermit for basically all connections to servers, even modern ones that use SSH (you can do a SET HOST /PTY <ssh script name> to connect) so that I can do inline file transfers quickly instead of having to open another window for doing an scp/sftp..

Works brilliantly.

Sampsa

> On 20 Apr 2016, at 18:45, Ken Cornetet <Ken.Cornetet at kimballelectronics.com> wrote:
> 
> I tried something like that using RTE Kermit under RTE-6/VM on the hp2100. I could never make it work reliably, and even when it did work, the performance was horrible.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Simh [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Dr Eberhard W Lisse
> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 11:09 AM
> To: ethan.dicks at gmail.com; billcun at suddenlink.net
> Cc: simh at trailing-edge.com
> Subject: Re: [Simh] text from openvms
> 
> Posted this a while back to the kermit newsgroup:
> 
> [...]
> So I downloaded CKV211-VAX-VMS73-NONET.EXE and put that in the ISO, fired up kermit on the netbook (I keep it an EVERY machine I ever
> use!)  and ssh'ed to the localhost, fire up the simulator, log on, fire up CKV211-VAX-VMS73-NONET.EXE into servermode and Frank is your uncle :-)-O
> 
> At least for text files (for the time being) :-)-O [...]
> 
> Kermit always works!
> 
> el
> 
> 
> On 2016-04-20 15:43, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 9:16 PM, Bill Cunningham <billcun at suddenlink.net> wrote:
>>> People tell me kermit in vms can be a pain.
>> 
>> We used Kermit on VMS everyday back in the 80s.  It was terrific.
>> You do have to know how to use Kermit (the default option settings
>> aren't always the best choice) and you have to understand that files
>> on VMS are record-oriented not streams-of--bytes, so moving *binary*
>> files to/from VMS is not so trivial (EXEs aren't bad because they are
>> fixed-length 512-byte record and you can tell Kermit what you are up
>> to so you write the correct format on the VMS side, .OLB and other
>> types of random-length-record files aren't so easy - we used to wrap
>> binaries up in a text format that preserved the record-size meta-data
>> and send text files.  Kermit is superb at that).  It's not Kermit that
>> makes this "difficult", it's RMS on VMS that makes it more complicated
>> than files on UNIX or DOS or whatever else.  All heterogenous file
>> transfer techniques have the same hurdles.
>> 
>> So since your use-case is moving text in and out of VMS, Kermit is an
>> excellent choice that is not difficult to set up.
>> 
>> -ethan
> 
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