[Simh] VMS hobbyist license

Tue Mar 17 18:31:47 EDT 2020

Sure. I'll be happy to ignore you. But just for anyone else, here is the 
exchange I had with Dan on the topic.

So noone else have to repeat the same thing.

   Johnny

On 2020-03-17 23:27, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
> please stop bothering me with your nonsense.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
> *Sent:* March 17, 2020 6:26 PM
> *To:* Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] VMS hobbyist license
> Your question was:
> 
> "What would HPE do if the pak they released were posted anonymously with
>    the termination date removed?"
> 
> That seemed to imply that you were thinking that it was possible to
> "modify" the PAK.
> 
> My response was:
> "You need to generate a different PAK. You cannot change any field in an
> existing PAK and still have a valid PAK. The checksum will (obviously)
> change."
> 
> In which way was that overly arrogant, talking down to you like you were
> stupid or something. In which way was that "massive attitude"?
> 
> Or, to put it another way:
> 
> I simply responded wanting to confirm if you understood that it was not
> possible to "modify" the PAK, but that you in fact have to create a new
> PAK, which have nothing to do with the HPE PAK.
> 
> So the question is really, what would HPE do if someone starts sending
> out their own PAKs for HPW products.
> 
> It has nothing to do with their (ie. HPE) PAKs.
> 
> But you certainly is showing a lot of attitude to my response.
> 
> But that is your problem. Not mine. Just as any response from HPE would
> be your problem, not mine.
> 
> Some countries might not care what HPE thinks or does. Sure. Does that
> change what HPE thinks or does? No idea. Seems unlikely that it would
> stop HPE to try and protect their property where they can. But that
> would be pure speculation on my part.
> 
> If you want to move to Russia, go ahead. Also not my problem.
> 
>     Johnny
> 
> On 2020-03-17 18:00, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>> your message seemed overly arrogant intentionally, talking down to me 
>> like I was stupid or something. massive attitude.
>> 
>> my question was very clear and concise, and you have yet to provide a 
>> valid response, not that your opinion has any weight any longer.
>> 
>> what is HPE going to do, sue some guy in Russia or Iran? pffft fat chance
>> 
>> next time just politely answer
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Try: https://www.grammarly.com
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 12:07:58 PM
>> *To:* Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] VMS hobbyist license
>> I did feel it was a bit deceptive to phrase the question as if it would
>> be a modification of a HPE PAK.
>> 
>> You obviously felt then that this was a fine way to pose the question.
>> 
>>     Johnny
>> 
>> On 2020-03-17 15:28, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>>> well DUH.
>>> thanks Captain Obvious...
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
>>> *Sent:* March 17, 2020 10:26 AM
>>> *To:* Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] VMS hobbyist license
>>> Sure. But then the question should properly be "What would HPE do of
>>> people post arbitrary PAKs"? Because it is not any PAK HPE have released.
>>> 
>>>     Johnny
>>> 
>>> On 2020-03-17 15:08, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>>>> Obviously, but aside from the termination and checksum,
>>>> Everything else can be the same.
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se>
>>>> *Sent:* March 17, 2020 10:02 AM
>>>> *To:* Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com>; simh at trailing-edge.com 
>>>> <simh at trailing-edge.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] VMS hobbyist license
>>>> You need to generate a different PAK. You cannot change any field in an
>>>> existing PAK and still have a valid PAK. The checksum will (obviously)
>>>> change.
>>>> 
>>>>     Johnny
>>>> 
>>>> On 2020-03-17 14:40, Dan Gahlinger wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I ask because countries like Russia just don't care, or like Iran...
>>>>> 
>>>>> *I can neither confirm nor deny that such a posting exists...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dan
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Simh <simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com> on behalf of John H. 
>>>>> Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt at thereinhardts.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 9:32:34 AM
>>>>> *To:* simh at trailing-edge.com <simh at trailing-edge.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Simh] VMS hobbyist license
>>>>> On 3/13/2020 11:29 AM, Arthur Krewat wrote:
>>>>>> The domain decusserve.org doesn't exist?
>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Typo on my part in the original.  It should be one "s"... 
>>>>> <https://eisner.decuserve.org> <https://eisner.decuserve.org> for the
>>>>> web page.  ssh to eisner.decuserve.org for the login.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> John H. Reinhardt
>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/11/2020 9:23 PM, Tony Nicholson wrote:
>>>>>>> The URL for OpenVMS hobbyist renewal is
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.hpe.com/h41268/live/index_e.aspx?qid=24548
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need to make sure you put valid information in the form and make 
>>>>>>> sure you put something reasonable in the "How do you use the Hobbyist 
>>>>>>> Program?" question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you don't have a Chapter number, go to (via ssh) 
>>>>>>> eisner.decusserve.org <http://eisner.decusserve.org> and log in with
>>>>>>> the username of REGISTRATION and follow the prompts. That gets you 
>>>>>>> registered in the US DECUServe chapter (all nationalities are 
>>>>>>> welcome) and gets you a valid member number for registration.  You 
>>>>>>> may have to wait a week or two for the number to become active at HPE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 11:48, dave porter <dave_list_addr at verizon.net 
>>>>>>> <mailto:dave_list_addr at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I let my VMS hobbyist license expire a few years back.  Can I get one
>>>>>>>     now for the next year?  Would someone remind me of how?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     Thanks.
>>>>>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
>>>>                                     ||  on a psychedelic trip
>>>> email: bqt at softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
>>>> pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
>>>                                     ||  on a psychedelic trip
>>> email: bqt at softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
>>> pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
>> 
>> -- 
>> Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
>>                                     ||  on a psychedelic trip
>> email: bqt at softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
>> pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol
> 
> -- 
> Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
>                                     ||  on a psychedelic trip
> email: bqt at softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
> pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

-- 
Johnny Billquist                  || "I'm on a bus
                                   ||  on a psychedelic trip
email: bqt at softjar.se             ||  Reading murder books
pdp is alive!                     ||  tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol