[Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus

khandy21yo khandy21yo at gmail.com
Thu Mar 9 15:19:37 EST 2017


I used DHV11s on Microvax II when they we're real hardware. Worked fine under VMS.  I imagine DH11 wasn't different enough for them to not work on unibus.


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-------- Original message --------From: Clem Cole <clemc at ccc.com> Date: 3/9/17  12:13 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Pizzolato <Mark at infocomm.com> Cc: SIMH <simh at trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus 
Mark... as an FYI if it is of any help..
VH      address=2013E120-2013E15F*, vector=C0-DC*, BR4, lines=64, 4
units
  VH0     attached to 8070, DHU mode, Modem
        0 current connections
  VH1     DHU mode
  VH2     DHU mode
  VH3     DHU mode

device          dhu0    at uba? csr 0160440             vector dhurint

It's been years since, I did this stuff...  
 0160400 is 0xE120  and 0160400 certainly looks right for the Unibus address for a DH.   I just can not speak for 0x2013E120 as what is the mapping into the Vax address space, but I'll take your word for it that this is correct - that is correct.I never saw a real DEC DH on a Vax because of power and space issues.That said, we used to mix DEC DH11s and Able DH11's on the PDP-11 all the time 
Able DH11's were the most used serial controllers in BSD UNIX land for a long, long time, which is why the default BSD configs all probe for them.


So ...If the DHV is supposed to the simh emulation of the combination of a DEC DH11 and DM11 pair (the DM11 was the modem control option for the DH), then this should "just work" 
That said, I'm not sure if VMS supported real DEC PDP-11 DH11/DM11's in Vaxen.  I have to believe they would have, but maybe not.  So its possible this has not been tested by folks.  I see that a lot of people running simh seem to want to use DZ's.
I have not tried the vax simulator a long time - although when I first tried it, it was DZ only.   You pointed me at the VH emulation a few years ago, but I did not push it very hard.
Thanks,
Clem
On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Mark Pizzolato <Mark at infocomm.com> wrote:
You mean DHV, not DVH, right?  DHV is a Qbus variant of some version of the DH11 device.  A VAX 780, not having a Qbus, wouldn’t have such a device in its configuration. The addresses you see in the SHOW CONFIG output are where the simulator will respond to I/O space references.  Those addresses are determined dynamically based on the set of devices which are enabled in the simulator configuration.  The variable presence of DZ’s and DH’s in the configuration would cause the DH to be found at different addresses. If the operating system that is being run (BSD 4.3 in this case) is properly configured to look for a DH device at the address which the simulated hardware is operating at, then things should work.  Device probes when the kernel starts will be visible with this in the simulator configuration:                 sim> set debug -t STDOUT                sim> set VH DEBUG=REG If you’re seeing device probes, then the kernel’s configuration matches the simulated hardware.  However, if you see the probes, but you DON’T see the kernel recognizing the device, then there may be a problem with the simulator.  If that is true, please create an issue at https://github.com/simh/simh/issues and I’ll dig into the details. -          Mark From: Simh [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Clem Cole
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 10:09 AM
To: Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net>
Cc: SIMH <simh at trailing-edge.com>
Subject: Re: [Simh] Issues with VH simulation and 4.3BSD-Quasijarus It looks that way..., but I need some help from Bob or Mark on VH history,   That was developed at DEC during the period I was off doing Masscomp/Stellar et al.   During my time earlier time with PDP11 and Vaxen,  you used DEC DZ's or DEC DH's or Able DHDM's.   As I understand it, DVH was the mid 1980s' redo of the DH to single board but identical in SW (i.e. was similar to the Able DHDM) - but I never saw one - so I don't know what the default addresses, iqr's etc are.  I am assuming you are defaulting same which means they are what DEC used. BSD 4.3 would have been using Able DHDM's so those are the original addresses of the DEC DH from the PDP-11. So my question what were the default addresses for the DVH and then from a simulator stand point, and if different, what happens if you configure them like the original DH11? Clem On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 11:49 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:All,

Seems 4.3BSD isn't seeing a DH-11 at all:

4.3 BSD Quasijarus UNIX #0: Sun Mar  7 12:42:05 PST 2004
    root at ucbvax:/usr/src/sys/GENERIC
real mem  = 67108864
SYSPTSIZE limits number of buffers to 18
avail mem = 65271808
using 18 buffers containing 147456 bytes of memory
VAX 11/780, serial# 1234(0), hardware ECO level 7(112)
mcr0 (el) at tr1
mcr1 (el) at tr2
uba0 at tr3
tmscp0 at uba0 csr 174500 vec 774, ipl 15
tms0 at tmscp0 slave 0
tms1 at tmscp0 slave 1
uda0 at uba0 csr 172150 vec 770, ipl 15
uda0: version 3 model 6
uda0: DMA burst size set to 4
ra0 at uda0 slave 0: ra92, size = 2940951 sectors
Changing root device to ra0a

SHOW CONFIGURATION:
VAX 11/780 simulator configuration

CPU     idle=VMS, idle enabled, model=VAX 11/780
        64MB, HALT to SIMH
TLB     2 units
  TLB0    8192W
  TLB1    8192W
SBI
MCTL0   nexus=1, address=20002000
MCTL1   nexus=2, address=20004000
UBA     nexus=3, address=20006000, autoconfiguration enabled
MBA0    disabled
MBA1    disabled
TODR
        12B
TMR
TTI
        7b
TTO
        7b
CS
        256KB, not attached, write enabled
TC      disabled
TDC     disabled
DZ      disabled
VH      address=2013E120-2013E15F*, vector=C0-DC*, BR4, lines=64, 4
units
  VH0     attached to 8070, DHU mode, Modem
        0 current connections
  VH1     DHU mode
  VH2     DHU mode
  VH3     DHU mode
CR      disabled
LPT     disabled
RP      disabled
RL      disabled
HK      disabled
RK      disabled
RQ      address=2013F468-2013F46B, vector=1F8*, BR5, UDA50, 4 units
  RQ0     1505MB, attached to ucbvax-ra92-root.dsk, write enabled
        RD54, autosize, SIMH format
RQB     disabled
RQC     disabled
RQD     disabled
RY      address=2013FE78-2013FE7B, vector=B4, BR5, 2 units
  RY0     512KB, not attached, write enabled
        double density
  RY1     512KB, not attached, write enabled
        double density
TU      disabled
TS      disabled
TQ      TU81 (180MB), address=2013F940-2013F943, vector=1FC*, BR5, 4
units
  TQ0     not attached, write enabled, SIMH format
        capacity=188MB
  TQ1     not attached, write enabled, SIMH format
        capacity=188MB
  TQ2     not attached, write enabled, SIMH format
        capacity=188MB
  TQ3     not attached, write enabled, SIMH format
        capacity=188MB
XU      disabled
XUB     disabled
DMC     disabled

VAX 11/780 simulator V4.0-0 Beta
        Simulator Framework Capabilities:
                64b data
                64b addresses
                Threaded Ethernet Packet transports:PCAP:TAP:NAT:UDP
                Idle/Throttling support is available
                Virtual Hard Disk (VHD) support
                Asynchronous I/O support
                Asynchronous Clock support
                FrontPanel API Version 4
        Host Platform:
                Compiler: GCC 4.2.1 Compatible Apple LLVM 8.0.0
                (clang-800.0.42.1)
                Simulator Compiled as C arch: x64 (Release Build) on Mar
                 8 2017 at 19:55:19
                Memory Access: Little Endian
                Memory Pointer Size: 64 bits
                Large File (>2GB) support
                SDL Video support: No Video Support
                PCRE RegEx support for EXPECT commands
                OS clock resolution: 1ms
                Time taken by msleep(1): 1ms
                OS: Darwin maelona.local 16.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version
                16.4.0: Thu Dec 22 22:53:21 PST 2016;
                root:xnu-3789.41.3~3/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
        git commit id: b41d10f1

Excerpt from kernel config:
device          dhu0    at uba? csr 0160440             vector dhurint
dhuxint

Is it a config error?

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  Cory Smelosky
  b4 at gewt.net
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