[Simh] C9.io

Sat Dec 2 00:08:30 EST 2017

Do the free sites allow for constantly executing programs 24/7?
Another option into avoid network hacks is to go old school, and p.ug it into a dedicated phone line using a modem, if anyone has working modems any more.
Or get a second internet connection for this project,
Isn't this sort of thing usually done by placing the device in question outside of your firewall/net box?
-------- Original message --------From: Joseph Oprysko <joprysko1 at gmail.com> Date: 12/1/17  5:22 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> Cc: simh <simh at trailing-edge.com> Subject: Re: [Simh] C9.io 
I’ve only done network security for the last 12 years. So I’m not talking about the script kiddies using programs they’ve downloaded off the darker areas of the web. If a hacker really wants to get into your network, they will. Unless of course if you unplug it from the internet. 
But even regardless of the security issues, I just don’t want the traffic on my home network.  Which is why I’m trying to find somewhere to host it for free, so the simh is accessible from the internet. 
Since even if it’s very busy (which it likely wouldn’t be) the amount of data transferred would most likely be within the free tiers of some of the various VM hosting companies. 

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 7:09 PM Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:

yes because hackers can do anything.
they can feed you a fake webpage and access your whole network.

there's no such thing as perfect security.
if that what you want you better stay offline.

any reasonable firewall can protect your system.

setup properly even if they break out of simh they are locked in a chroot jail.
and firewall on the device prevents them from getting anywhere.
with chroot you can take away their access to any standard utilities like telnet or ssh or anything too.

this is dirt simple and millions of people do it every day.

by again if you're that worried you better disconnect now.

uh oh look out 127.0.0.1 is attacking you...

Dan

-------- Original message --------
From: Joseph Oprysko <joprysko1 at gmail.com> 
Date: 2017-12-01 5:54 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> 
Cc: Ray Jewhurst <raywjewhurst at gmail.com>, simh <simh at trailing-edge.com> 
Subject: Re: [Simh] C9.io 

I had the HP2100? Simulated on a Beaglebone Black for the Vintage Computer Festival a few years ago. I had an TI Silent 700 teletype connected to it. In a way it’s kind of a shame that a $35 (or $5 for a RPi Zero) is more powerful than the mainframes
 of old. Actually I have a couple of the Pi Zero W’s around somewhere. Computers used to be equipment to diagnose and repair down to the component and electrical trace level.  Now it’s literally throw away technology. 

But even with an RPi running simh, it still needs to be on my home network, which is one of the things I’d like to avoid for the “Production Server” for lack of a better term. 

As for not opening it up, I’m sure there’ll be someone who can figure out how crash out of simh and keep/get a shell running, and now they’re sitting on a machine inside my network with full access to my network.  And going through setting up
 a separate vlan or even having it go through a second router so it’s on it’s on it’s own network is more work than I’d rather do. 

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 5:07 PM Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:

a pi would do it.
and it's not opening it up
you open to just one port to just that pi
for just the pps

electric cost of a pi is peanuts.

cloud would cost you orders of magnitude more.

hell I run my own servers domain cloud etc

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: Joseph Oprysko <joprysko1 at gmail.com>

Date: 2017-12-01 2:37 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com>

Cc: Ray Jewhurst <raywjewhurst at gmail.com>, simh <simh at trailing-edge.com>

Subject: Re: [Simh] C9.io 

Dan, it is easy peasy, but not quite free, as if you want 24/7 access to the box, you have to keep the system running 24-7, so electricity costs. Plus, I’m planning on having others log in as well, thus I don’t want to open up my network like
 that. That’s why I’m looking for a free hosted/Cloud solution. That way someone else can deal with the rest of the network security. I do enough of that for work anyway, don’t want to have to monitor my home network as thoroughly. 

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 1:12 PM Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:

A Linux box running simh bridged with nat
Easy peasy and free

Get 
Outlook for iOS

From: Simh <simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com>
 on behalf of Joseph Oprysko <joprysko1 at gmail.com>

Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 1:09:37 PM

To: Ray Jewhurst

Cc: simh

Subject: Re: [Simh] C9.io

Well, running from inside a house and making accessible from the outside is easy. But most ot my computers at home generally don’t run 24/7. 

Mainly what’s needed for what we both want to be able to do isn’t really a shell account on a shared machine, but literally a dedicated VM instance, but we need to be able to access that instance through a public IP address.

On a home network, a private IP Address (192.168.x.x, 172.x.x.x ‘actually I don’t think it’s the whole 172 network’, or a 10.x.x.x) it’s easy enough to setup port forwarding to make it accessible. But on the Cloud based VM’s, I don’t know if
 there is a way to do it. Well, I know there ARE ways, usually involves paying for the instance, an external address, and possibly the amount of traffic. 

Actually, I know Bluehost (is it still a thing?) used to  give you a VM with public address in combination with their hosting/domain name service.  But I’m hoping to find one that will not cost me anything. 

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:21 PM Ray Jewhurst <raywjewhurst at gmail.com> wrote:

I have been trying to figure out a solution for something similar to that. I want to be able to run a PDP-11 outside of my house for Fortran development. I would be running it on my Android phone. 

On Dec 1, 2017 12:11 PM, "Joseph Oprysko" <joprysko1 at gmail.com> wrote:

Does anyone know if I can use the Cloud9 IDE to host a simh System emulation?

I know I’m able to build and execute it in the environment, but what I’d really like to achieve is to have a system (or several) running on various instances. And be able to connect to them from an external IP address, I believe I am able to
 SSH into an instance, or access it through the web based IDE. 

An example might be better. Say I setup an HP system running Time-Share Basic. Would I be able to telnet to the TSB instance from various computers?

Thank you,

Joe

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Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do.

Normal Person: So you go surfing?

Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with knowing a lot...

Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level.

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