[Simh] GOLD Keys and such

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On Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:26:46 -0500
Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk359 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 21 December 2015 at 02:14,  <lists at openmailbox.org> wrote:
> > The printing terminals were useful for OS/360 console
> > loggers but few Hercules users run OS/360. Bottom line and for
> > everything else ..
> >
> The printing terminals (1052-7 or 3215; your choice) are required if
> you do a sysgen from the starter system.

That's right. I just didn't remember if that was also the case with MVS or
just with OS/360.

> So yes, printing consoles certainly aren't necessary to operation of a
> fully set up MVS 3.8J system, however for the MVS 3.7 "starter" system
> needed to actually sysgen 3.8 they are required

Absolutely correct and point taken. I'm suspicious about the "3.7"
designation but putting that aside, it's correct that you need a console
printer to do a sysgen of MVS 3.8J. Of course virtually nobody does that
over Hercules because various Turnkey and installed system images are
available, but if they do a sysgen (and I did) you will need one.

> > Are you saying Putty's telnet doesn't support the printing terminals
> > Hercules supports? Because if that is not what you are saying then we
> > seem to be going around in circles. Telnet clearly won't work for a
> > normal IBM terminal.
> >
> There is a bug in telnet negotiations in Hercules, that causes PuTTY
> to be unable to connect to Hercules.

and

> PuTTY's telnet client cannot connect to Hercules, as there is a bug in
> telnet negotiations in the Hercules console.c code that makes it
> non-RFC compliant.

If you would have said that in the first place I would have understood you
a lot better!

I don't know if anybody else is aware of this. Perhaps you should report it
to one of the Hercules maintainers?

> Anyway this has gone way past the point of being related to SIMH; and
> in reality is a non-issue. A quick "TL;DR" as the internet neologism
> would be: Hercules has a telnet negotiation bug that means PuTTY can't
> connect to it.

Yeah but this whole thing started when you said

On Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:44:26 -0500
Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk359 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The one and only problem I've found with PuTTY is that for some reason
> it's telnet is not compatible with the Hercules (IBM System/370 and up
> mainframe emulator; not SIMH project) emulator.

which seemed to suggest Putty was at fault and also that you didn't know
what was wrong whereas now you clarified 

> Hercules has a telnet negotiation bug that means PuTTY can't connect to
> it.

Ah, that's better :-)

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