<div dir="auto">The networking shouldn't be a problem since I only want to use my cellphone as a telnet client. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 1, 2017 3:47 PM, "Timothe Litt" <<a href="mailto:litt@ieee.org">litt@ieee.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Xeon etc is probably overkill.<br>
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<p>Use a Raspberry Pi. About 7W under load with a monitor, KB,
mouse w/WiFi active - you don't need a monitor, KB, or mouse once
setup. You can disable the WiFi. (A couple more watts if you use
a magnetic drive, which I recommend).</p>
<p>One time cost is about $100 once you add a case, power supply
& SD card to the $35 board.</p>
<p>For a reasonable workload, that should suffice and is about as
inexpensive to run as you can get. Pi 3 is a 64-bit ARM CPU @1.2
GHz CPU - with 1GB memory, ethernet, WiFi, & bluetooth. (Some
OSs are only 32 bit at the moment.) You can easily scale up with
multiple hosts - it takes quite a number to reach the price of a
Xeon.<br>
</p>
<p>If you stick with standard packages, security is pretty much
one-time setup & periodic package updates (which includes the
kernel). As it's cheap enough to be dedicated to simulation, it's
not a disaster if something bad does happen - as long as anything
else on your internal network distrusts the Pi & its guests.
If you put the emulated OS on the public network, that's a bigger
exposure than the host OS.</p>
<p>If you just provide SSH access, I recommend disabling passwords
and using RSA keys only. It frustrates the script kiddies, and
you don't have to worry about password quality.</p>
<p>Cloud hosting has its own pitfalls. I'm not a fan.</p>
<p>Someone mentioned running on a cellphone. That's tough if you
want remote access because as frequently documented here, WiFi
implementations don't get along with SimH's networking.</p>
<p>Have fun.<br>
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<div class="m_7251669931184819728moz-cite-prefix">On 01-Dec-17 15:09, Hittner, David T
[US] (MS) wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">You
could also look at running a super-efficient 24x7 server at
home to minimize your electric costs.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">In
my last computer build where I was trying to maximize
performance with minimal power use, I put together an E3
Xeon Server with ECC memory that pulls an average of 35W
running a SIMH VM with idle enabled.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">It’s
all based on buying power efficient equipment. It runs near
noiseless and cool also.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Intel
Xeon E3-1275v3 3.5GHz 4C with Integrated graphics (which is
fine for a server). Max 84W.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">32GB
ECC memory (overkill for SIMH, but I do other things with
the server :-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">500GB
M.2 NVME SSD<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">1TB
2.5” HDD<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">5.25”
BLU-Ray ODD<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">80+
Gold PSU<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Windows
10 Pro OS (for host)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">VMware
Workstation for virtualization, although you could use the
built in Windows 10 Hyper-V virtualization for free<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">2.5”
disk drives and SSDs pull a lot less power than their
rotating 3.5” equivalents. So does using Integrated graphics
vs. discrete video cards if the performance is OK.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Your
point about having others manage the network security is
pretty darn valid though !!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Dave<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
Simh [<a class="m_7251669931184819728moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com" target="_blank">mailto:simh-bounces@trailing-<wbr>edge.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joseph Oprysko<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 01, 2017 2:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dan Gahlinger <a class="m_7251669931184819728moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dgahling@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><dgahling@hotmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> simh <a class="m_7251669931184819728moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com" target="_blank"><simh@trailing-edge.com></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> EXT :Re: [Simh] C9.io<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Dan, it is easy peasy, but not quite
free, as if you want 24/7 access to the box, you have to
keep the system running 24-7, so electricity costs. Plus,
I’m planning on having others log in as well, thus I don’t
want to open up my network like that. That’s why I’m
looking for a free hosted/Cloud solution. That way someone
else can deal with the rest of the network security. I do
enough of that for work anyway, don’t want to have to
monitor my home network as thoroughly. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 1:12 PM Dan
Gahlinger <<a href="mailto:dgahling@hotmail.com" target="_blank">dgahling@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A Linux box running simh
bridged with nat<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Easy peasy and free<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Get <a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef" target="_blank">Outlook for iOS</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
Simh <<a href="mailto:simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com" target="_blank">simh-bounces@trailing-edge.<wbr>com</a>>
on behalf of Joseph Oprysko <<a href="mailto:joprysko1@gmail.com" target="_blank">joprysko1@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 1, 2017 1:09:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ray Jewhurst<br>
<b>Cc:</b> simh<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Simh] C9.io</span> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Well, running from inside a
house and making accessible from the outside is
easy. But most ot my computers at home generally
don’t run 24/7. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Mainly what’s needed for what
we both want to be able to do isn’t really a
shell account on a shared machine, but literally
a dedicated VM instance, but we need to be able
to access that instance through a public IP
address.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On a home network, a private
IP Address (192.168.x.x, 172.x.x.x ‘actually I
don’t think it’s the whole 172 network’, or a
10.x.x.x) it’s easy enough to setup port
forwarding to make it accessible. But on the
Cloud based VM’s, I don’t know if there is a way
to do it. Well, I know there ARE ways, usually
involves paying for the instance, an external
address, and possibly the amount of traffic. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Actually, I know Bluehost (is
it still a thing?) used to give you a VM with
public address in combination with their
hosting/domain name service. But I’m hoping to
find one that will not cost me anything. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at
12:21 PM Ray Jewhurst <<a href="mailto:raywjewhurst@gmail.com" target="_blank">raywjewhurst@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have been trying to
figure out a solution for something similar
to that. I want to be able to run a PDP-11
outside of my house for Fortran development.
I would be running it on my Android phone. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 1, 2017 12:11
PM, "Joseph Oprysko" <<a href="mailto:joprysko1@gmail.com" target="_blank">joprysko1@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does anyone know if
I can use the Cloud9 IDE to host a
simh System emulation?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I know I’m able to
build and execute it in the
environment, but what I’d really like
to achieve is to have a system (or
several) running on various instances.
And be able to connect to them from an
external IP address, I believe I am
able to SSH into an instance, or
access it through the web based IDE. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">An example might be
better. Say I setup an HP system
running Time-Share Basic. Would I be
able to telnet to the TSB instance
from various computers?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Joe<u></u><u></u></p>
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Hey, it seems that you know a lot.<br>
Geek: To be honest, it's due to all
the surfing I do.<br>
Normal Person: So you go surfing?<br>
Normal Person: But I don't think
that has anything to do with knowing
a lot...<br>
Geek: I think that's wrong on a
fundamental level.<br>
Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Normal Person: So you go surfing?<br>
Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do
with knowing a lot...<br>
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