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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01-Dec-17 17:07, Dan Gahlinger
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      <div>a pi would do it.</div>
      <div>and it's not opening it up</div>
      <div>you open to just one port to just that pi</div>
      <div>for just the pps</div>
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    Not quite that simple.  To expand on what I wrote previously:
    Typically, machines inside your router trust each other.  In that
    case, once on the Pi (or SimH guest), a user has access to anything
    else on your internal network, unless you setup the right firewalls
    on each of your other internal machines.  With a little care, it's
    not hard to setup a subnet for the Pi & emulated machines that
    everyone else can distrust.<br>
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    E.g. You open an ssh port to your Pi.  A user who ssh's to that Pi
    now has a local address, and can ssh to your desktop - or browse for
    Windoze/NFS shares - or whatever.  So you need to adjust the
    firewall on your desktop to be very careful about what it permits
    from the Pi.  (And guests on the Pi.)<br>
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    It takes some thought to setup a moat around the Pi, but isn't
    especially hard.  It does require a change in mindset from
    "everything inside my router is more trustworthy than the outside"
    to "inside my router is no guarantee, and access is case-by-case."<br>
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    Note that the network stacks on the Guests probably haven't been
    updated in a few decades, so while they will interoperate, they may
    have exploitable bugs.  (Exploits never completely die...)<br>
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      <div>electric cost of a pi is peanuts.</div>
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      <div>cloud would cost you orders of magnitude more.</div>
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      <div>hell I run my own servers domain cloud etc</div>
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        <div dir="auto" style="font-size:85%; color:#575757">Sent from
          my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.</div>
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      <div>-------- Original message --------</div>
      <div>From: Joseph Oprysko <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:joprysko1@gmail.com"><joprysko1@gmail.com></a> </div>
      <div>Date: 2017-12-01 2:37 PM (GMT-05:00) </div>
      <div>To: Dan Gahlinger <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dgahling@hotmail.com"><dgahling@hotmail.com></a> </div>
      <div>Cc: Ray Jewhurst <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:raywjewhurst@gmail.com"><raywjewhurst@gmail.com></a>, simh
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com"><simh@trailing-edge.com></a> </div>
      <div>Subject: Re: [Simh] C9.io </div>
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          <div dir="auto">Dan, it is easy peasy, but not quite free, as
            if you want 24/7 access to the box, you have to keep the
            system running 24-7, so electricity costs. Plus, I’m
            planning on having others log in as well, thus I don’t want
            to open up my network like that. That’s why I’m looking for
            a free hosted/Cloud solution. That way someone else can deal
            with the rest of the network security. I do enough of that
            for work anyway, don’t want to have to monitor my home
            network as thoroughly. </div>
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            <div>On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 1:12 PM Dan Gahlinger <<a
                href="mailto:dgahling@hotmail.com"
                moz-do-not-send="true">dgahling@hotmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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                      <div style="direction:ltr">A Linux box running
                        simh bridged with nat</div>
                      <div style="direction:ltr">Easy peasy and free</div>
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                    <div class="m_2360956588935594338acompli_signature">Get
                      <a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef" target="_blank"
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                        Outlook for iOS</a></div>
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                    color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Simh <<a
                      href="mailto:simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com</a>>
                    on behalf of Joseph Oprysko <<a
                      href="mailto:joprysko1@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">joprysko1@gmail.com</a>><br>
                    <b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 1, 2017 1:09:37 PM<br>
                    <b>To:</b> Ray Jewhurst<br>
                    <b>Cc:</b> simh<br>
                    <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Simh] C9.io</font>
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                    <div dir="auto">Well, running from inside a house
                      and making accessible from the outside is easy.
                      But most ot my computers at home generally don’t
                      run 24/7. </div>
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                    <div dir="auto">Mainly what’s needed for what we
                      both want to be able to do isn’t really a shell
                      account on a shared machine, but literally a
                      dedicated VM instance, but we need to be able to
                      access that instance through a public IP address.</div>
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                    <div dir="auto">On a home network, a private IP
                      Address (192.168.x.x, 172.x.x.x ‘actually I don’t
                      think it’s the whole 172 network’, or a 10.x.x.x)
                      it’s easy enough to setup port forwarding to make
                      it accessible. But on the Cloud based VM’s, I
                      don’t know if there is a way to do it. Well, I
                      know there ARE ways, usually involves paying for
                      the instance, an external address, and possibly
                      the amount of traffic. </div>
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                    <div dir="auto">Actually, I know Bluehost (is it
                      still a thing?) used to  give you a VM with public
                      address in combination with their hosting/domain
                      name service.  But I’m hoping to find one that
                      will not cost me anything. </div>
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                      <div>On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 12:21 PM Ray Jewhurst
                        <<a href="mailto:raywjewhurst@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">raywjewhurst@gmail.com</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                        <div dir="auto">I have been trying to figure out
                          a solution for something similar to that. I
                          want to be able to run a PDP-11 outside of my
                          house for Fortran development. I would be
                          running it on my Android phone. </div>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 1, 2017 12:11
                            PM, "Joseph Oprysko" <<a
                              href="mailto:joprysko1@gmail.com"
                              target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">joprysko1@gmail.com</a>>
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                              <div dir="auto">Does anyone know if I can
                                use the Cloud9 IDE to host a simh System
                                emulation?</div>
                              <div dir="auto"><br>
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                              <div dir="auto">I know I’m able to build
                                and execute it in the environment, but
                                what I’d really like to achieve is to
                                have a system (or several) running on
                                various instances. And be able to
                                connect to them from an external IP
                                address, I believe I am able to SSH into
                                an instance, or access it through the
                                web based IDE. </div>
                              <div dir="auto"><br>
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                              <div dir="auto">An example might be
                                better. Say I setup an HP system running
                                Time-Share Basic. Would I be able to
                                telnet to the TSB instance from various
                                computers?</div>
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                              <div dir="auto">Thank you,</div>
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                              <div dir="auto">Joe</div>
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                                <div>-- <br>
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                                  Person: Hey, it seems that you know a
                                  lot.<br>
                                  Geek: To be honest, it's due to all
                                  the surfing I do.<br>
                                  Normal Person: So you go surfing?<br>
                                  Normal Person: But I don't think that
                                  has anything to do with knowing a
                                  lot...<br>
                                  Geek: I think that's wrong on a
                                  fundamental level.<br>
                                  Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?</div>
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                  <div>-- <br>
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                  <div class="m_2360956588935594338gmail_signature">Normal
                    Person: Hey, it seems that you know a lot.<br>
                    Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I
                    do.<br>
                    Normal Person: So you go surfing?<br>
                    Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything
                    to do with knowing a lot...<br>
                    Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level.<br>
                    Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?</div>
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        <div class="gmail_signature">Normal Person: Hey, it seems that
          you know a lot.<br>
          Geek: To be honest, it's due to all the surfing I do.<br>
          Normal Person: So you go surfing?<br>
          Normal Person: But I don't think that has anything to do with
          knowing a lot...<br>
          Geek: I think that's wrong on a fundamental level.<br>
          Normal Person: Huh? Huh? What?</div>
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