<div><div dir="auto">A simh VAX-11/780 may be configured with a lot of simulated hardware. VMS 1.0 has drivers for only a very small subset of these. VMS 1.5 has a few more. Peter and myself used VMS 3.0 with a TS11 to operate DSC2 in restoring the VMS 1 .5 tape. Indeed the early versions of VMS did not support the TS11, but that is not relevant for this staged restore procedure. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">His question why the restore works with the TS11 and not with the TE16 remains valid for VMS3.0</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">W</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Op zo 5 nov. 2017 om 12:12 schreef Bob Eager <<a href="mailto:rde@tavi.co.uk">rde@tavi.co.uk</a>><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Did VMS 1.5 support the TS11? I thought the TS11 came out later.<br>
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On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 10:39:15 +0000<br>
Peter Allan <<a href="mailto:petermallan@gmail.com" target="_blank">petermallan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Thanks to Wilm, I now have VMS 1.5 up and running. This is new<br>
> territory for me since my first exposure to VAXen was in late 1982<br>
> when the version was something like 3.0, or just possibly the last<br>
> version of 2.x. (I didn't pay attention to such things back then. If<br>
> I could write Fortran programs, I was happy.)<br>
><br>
> However, the fact that I could complete the installation of VMS 3.0 by<br>
> using a simulated TS11 tape drive when it failed with a TE16 drive<br>
> has got me wondering if there is a bug in simh. Surely on a real<br>
> system you could use a real TS11 or TE16 drive? Obviously there is no<br>
> density on a simulated tape file, but is there any other difference<br>
> between the two simulated tape drives that explains what is going on?<br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
><br>
> Peter Allan<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 25 October 2017 at 14:08, Peter Allan <<a href="mailto:petermallan@gmail.com" target="_blank">petermallan@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Thanks Wilm, I will try that out. I doubt I would have thought of<br>
> > using a TS11 rather than a TE16 without your advice.<br>
> ><br>
> > Peter<br>
> ><br>
> > On 25 October 2017 at 12:39, Wilm Boerhout <<a href="mailto:wboerhout@gmail.com" target="_blank">wboerhout@gmail.com</a>><br>
> > wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Your approach is correct, I have regularly used it over the past<br>
> >> weeks to bring up VMS 1.0.<br>
> >><br>
> >> I also saw these CRC errors on restore sometimes. There are two<br>
> >> ways around this:<br>
> >><br>
> >> 1. Mount the 3.0 tape on a generic (newer) VAX/VMS system, use<br>
> >> $MOUNT/OVER=ID and copy the LIBRARY and OPTIONAL savesets to a<br>
> >> (RP06-sized) disk in the [0,0] directory. In a later step, $<br>
> >> mount /foreign this disk, and point the installer to this disk as<br>
> >> the source. 2. On your 3.0 system just booted with just the<br>
> >> REQUIRED saveset, use a TS11 and not a TE16 tape unit in the simh<br>
> >> config. Somehow this worked. Also, when you use a TE16, use an<br>
> >> explicit $MOU/FOR /DEN=800. I forget in which version, but this<br>
> >> also worked sometimes.<br>
> >><br>
> >> HTH<br>
> >><br>
> >> /Wilm<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> Peter Allan schreef op 25-10-2017 om 13:30:<br>
> >><br>
> >>> Encouraged by all of the posting about running VMS 1.5 on an<br>
> >>> emulated VAX 780 with simh, I have tried to do the same. However,<br>
> >>> I am having a problem.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I don't have an existing VMS 3.x system running (4.6 is my<br>
> >>> earliest), so I tried to do a VMS 3.0 installation using the tape<br>
> >>> from uni-stuttgart which I had downloaded some time ago.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I booted a VMS 4.6 system on an emulated 780 and did an image<br>
> >>> restore using BACKUP of the REQUIRED saveset on the VMS 3.0<br>
> >>> installation tape to an RP06. So far, so good. Then I booted the<br>
> >>> newly created RP06 disk, which continued the installation process<br>
> >>> by attempting to restore the LIBRARY saveset on the VMS 3.0 tape.<br>
> >>> However, this crashed with too many CRC errors.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> This is where I am stuck. I could download the tape from<br>
> >>> uni-stuttgart again, but is there any reason to expect a better<br>
> >>> result by doing this? Can someone who has got this to work advise<br>
> >>> me what to try next please. I have downloaded the files that<br>
> >>> Christian posted, but while that has standalone backup on a disk<br>
> >>> image, I need DSC to read the VMS 1.5 tape (don't I?) which is<br>
> >>> the only reason that I was trying to get VMS 3.0 working in the<br>
> >>> first place.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Cheers<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Peter Allan<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On 20 October 2017 at 09:43, Wilm Boerhout <<a href="mailto:wboerhout@gmail.com" target="_blank">wboerhout@gmail.com</a><br>
> >>> <mailto: <a href="mailto:wboerhout@gmail.com" target="_blank">wboerhout@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Matt Burke schreef op 17-10-2017 om 23:17:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> You may also want to try VAX/VMS 1.0 (or as close as you<br>
> >>> can get to it):<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> <a href="http://www.9track.net/vms/BB-D782A-BE.zip" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.9track.net/vms/BB-D782A-BE.zip</a><br>
> >>> <<a href="http://www.9track.net/vms/BB-D782A-BE.zip" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.9track.net/vms/BB-D782A-BE.zip</a>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> This is not taken from an original tape. It's something I<br>
> >>> reconstructed<br>
> >>> from a disk containing early VAX/VMS source and binaries.<br>
> >>> The dates<br>
> >>> indicate that this is earlier than VAX/VMS 1.5.<br>
> >>> Hopefully someone can find an original at some point.<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Matt<br>
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> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> Wonderful!<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> I now have VMS 1.0 up and running on simh VAX780. Does anyone<br>
> >>> know whereto find the Fortran installation tape for this system?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>><br>
> >>> BTW, I also use a fine VT52 emulator I found on github.<br>
> >>><br>
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> >>> /Wilm<br>
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