<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 21 Apr 2016, at 00:28, Hittner, David T (IS) <<a href="mailto:david.hittner@ngc.com" class="">david.hittner@ngc.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">If Kermit does not work on SIMH emulated RTE-6/VM, but works on the real hardware, then I’d say there’s a BUG in the emulator that needs fixing. Derp.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-family: Wingdings;" class=""><span class="">Ø<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>Kermit cannot be made to work reliably on RTE-6/VM under simh.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-family: Wingdings;" class=""><span class="">Ø<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>At least I was never able to make it work.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-family: Wingdings;" class=""><span class="">Ø<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>Not to mention that trying to use an emulator other than QCTerm (which doesn't do Kermit) with RTE is a major PITA.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; text-indent: -0.25in;" class=""><span style="font-family: Wingdings;" class=""><span class="">Ø<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span>I used Kermit extensively on real RTE systems to transfer files to a variety of systems.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">Another option is to start a file creation in the emulation from the serial port and use a terminal emulator to cut and paste (slowly) the ascii or hexified file in for you (hopefully with a windows cut/paste), or type(cat) the file to the terminal emulator and select/copy the text out to a host file. Attachmate has worked well for me as a slow cut/paste terminal emulator. Hexifying binaries is a tried-and-true serial copy method when flow control is non-existent or suicidal, and there are quite a few tools to hexify/unhexify data streams.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">There’s also lot of tools available for file conversion (mangling), and Kermit is supported on many platforms. Look at the older Kermit-16 and Kermit-32 if you want a simpler Kermit.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">If you want to write a universal file transfer tool for ALL of the hosts and emulators SIMH supports, AND write in the OS support drivers for it on ALL of the emulated OS’s, then go for it. But it’s a lot more work than you might think, for very minimal gain.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">If it was <me>, and I was having problems with file transfers to a <specific> emulator/OS combination, I’d look to find a solution for that specific platform problem, and not try to solve all of the SIMH host file transfer problems with a universal solution. You’re looking for a universal solution to 50+ years of device and filesystem incompatibility. Most people agree that Kermit is the most universal file transfer solution available. :-S<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">I still like the idea of a standardised protocol for moving files + metadata in/out using SOME mechanism (e.g. serial port) that is mapped to a directory on the host OS.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Whether people then want to actually implement the tools for the guest OS depends on the need for them.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">But one standard, simple protocol would be nifty..</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">sampsa</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></body></html>