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<div>Per is not a usable language. Lol</div>
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From: Ken Cornetet <Ken.Cornetet@kimballelectronics.com> <br>
Date: 08-04-2015 4:55 PM (GMT-05:00) <br>
To: simh@trailing-edge.com <br>
Subject: Re: [Simh] off-topic basic translator <br>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Perl has goto. Just sayin’</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1F497D">Writing a VAX basic to perl translator sounds like fun, and when you are done, you’d have learned a usable language.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Simh [mailto:simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dan Gahlinger<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kevin Handy; Tom Morris<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Simh] off-topic basic translator</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Then I'll have to do it myself by hand, which from the manual doesn't look that bad.<br>
I'll test the vb2py script but I won't hold my breath.<br>
I'm not going to write my own to translate a paltry dozen or so programs (even if some of them are long).<br>
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I shudder at having to translate "goto" :)<br>
But from the manual link I provided on vax basic, it doesn't look terribly bad.<br>
I'll probably convert to freepascal which has portability to many platforms, and is the one I'm most familiar with.<br>
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Vax Basic was probably one of the easiest languages I've ever had to learn, in hindsight it was probably a bad idea to learn it<br>
so early on, should have learned C instead...<br>
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Dan.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 14:29:49 -0600<br>
Subject: Re: [Simh] off-topic basic translator<br>
From: <a href="mailto:khandy21yo@gmail.com">khandy21yo@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:tfmorris@gmail.com">tfmorris@gmail.com</a><br>
CC: <a href="mailto:dgahling@hotmail.com">dgahling@hotmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com">
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It won't help you. If you look at the section "U<a name="x_untransl_lang_sec"><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ntranslatable Language Features</span></strong></a>" it
specifically mentions that MAP, COMMON, and FIELD, and MAT statements are not habdled.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:34 PM, Dan Gahlinger <<a href="mailto:dgahling@hotmail.com" target="_blank">dgahling@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I was thinking of this one:
<a href="http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/basic/t12/t12_pro.html" target="_blank">
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/commercial/basic/t12/t12_pro.html</a><br>
so definitely there was one, it's discontinued though.<br>
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I don't know what to do with MAP or MAT statements, otherwise I could do most of it myself.<br>
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C or C++ is not an ideal language, I was thinking of easier translations,<br>
like say to freepascal or python, as they are most "basic like" in looks.<br>
Strings as you say can be tough, but that's why pascal or even python is good,<br>
strings are just strings.<br>
basic was great for string manipulation because you could do literally anything.<br>
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I was kind of hoping someone might have a copy of the HP/compaq product listed above<br>
I certainly don't want to buy it (though its discontinued so I can't) just to translate a dozen programs<br>
that I wrote myself back in the 80's.<br>
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Update: it looks like I might be able to do it myself using this reference document:<br>
<a href="http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/vax/lang/basic/AA-HY15B-TE_VAX_BASIC_User_Manual_Feb90.pdf" target="_blank">http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/vax/lang/basic/AA-HY15B-TE_VAX_BASIC_User_Manual_Feb90.pdf</a><span style="color:#888888"><br>
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Dan.</span></span></p>
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Subject: Re: [Simh] off-topic basic translator<br>
From: <a href="mailto:khandy21yo@gmail.com" target="_blank">khandy21yo@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:dgahling@hotmail.com" target="_blank">dgahling@hotmail.com</a><br>
CC: <a href="mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com" target="_blank">simh@trailing-edge.com</a></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There used to be a company that sold one, but is definately wasn't free. Cannot remember their name.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I wrote a heafty part of a VaxBasic to C++ translater, but never handled MAP's or their like very well. It is useful to do a preliminary conversion, but then
needs a lot of editing for most programs. Things like programd from "101 Basic Computer Games" mostly work without any problems. Nut it's been a while since I did anything with it.</span></p>
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types mixed together. MAPs want a fixed length fixed position string which may overlap other strings. Normal nasic strings are variable length and variable position. FIELD statements can change a string from one type to another. It gets quite complicated without
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Does anyone have or know where I can get a copy of the Vax Basic translator?<br>
Especially for VMS or windows or something?<br>
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I'd like to convert my old Vax Basic programs to something usable on modern systems,<br>
but while Vax Basic is simple enough there are a few things I have trouble with,<br>
such as MAP statements, records, etc.<br>
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I've tried looking on the HP/etc sites and it seems it's been discontinued,<br>
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does anyone have a copy I can use, or know where I can get one?<br>
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I don't want to pay for a product, as this is just hobbyist use for personal programs I wrote<br>
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thanks<span style="color:#888888"><br>
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Dan.</span></span></p>
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