<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue-Light, Helvetica Neue Light, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div>We had two (possibly 3) 11/45s for our application so I guess my memory isn't so bad. :)</div><div><br></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, 'Helvetica Neue Light', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;">David.</div><div><br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, 'Helvetica Neue Light', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr">
----- Forwarded Message -----<br> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Clem Cole <clemc@ccc.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> david.d.miller@att.net <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "simh@trailing-edge.com" <simh@trailing-edge.com> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, March 4, 2015 7:54 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Simh] Fw: Cutler Unix<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv3636385993"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">below.. </div><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_extra"><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv3636385993yqt9641315211"
id="yiv3636385993yqtfd54437"><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_quote"><font color="#ff0000">On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:27 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:david.d.miller@att.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:david.d.miller@att.net">david.d.miller@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br clear="none"></font><blockquote class="yiv3636385993gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, 'Helvetica Neue Light', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div><span><font color="#ff0000">In the mid-70s I was working at Sylvania WDL. We were looking for a real-time OS for a PDP 11/45. Nothing at DEC. We checked with AT&T for UNIX and they wanted $40K (I was told). Management said, "no
way" and I was assigned the task. I wrote a separated I&D-space (full memory) OS for our application, which incidentally was written in Pascal. But that's another story.</font></span></div><div style="font-size: 16px; font-family: HelveticaNeue-Light, 'Helvetica Neue Light', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-style: normal; background-color: transparent;"><span><font color="#ff0000"><br clear="none"></font></span></div><div><font color="#ff0000">David.</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br clear="none"></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">If it was mid-70's (i.e. 6th or 7th edition) the commercial license was $20K for the first CPU and $7K for the second and $5 for each additional CPU. $100 was the educational license fee and was to defray the cost of writing a tape - but AT&T had to make the IP available
as part of the consent decree. IIRC: Even the $100 could be waved it you brought a couple of RK05s to MH and Ken or Dennis copies the disk. i.e. that how some of the universities got the bits originally as students brought them back with them.</div><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">The fees for basic UNIX did not go up to $40k for the first CPU until post System III - it may have been as late as System V. But by then there were all sort of other fees, such as the $150K redistribution license fee which was on top of the first CPU.</div><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Looking back on it, one of
the few times I was ever in a room with Willy G was during the negotiations @ Ricki's Hyatt in Palo Alto that would cause AT&T to create the System III license and the first redistribution license. All the majors firms in the room had no problem with $1.5K per CPU when the cost of a VAX or HP3000 was $250K-$500K or more for IBM. The firms developing what were later be called "personal workstations" envisioned a $10K-$20K price point and were willing to settle for about $500 a copy. Gates wants to pay $25 for what would be the Xenix license for a PC/AT which then cost about $3.5K-5K retail, but he promised Al Arms that he would sell "millions." I remember him turning to the room and saying (whining actually) - "You guys don't get it. The only thing that matters in the software business is volume."</div><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br
clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Sad truth - he was right.</div><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"><br clear="none"></div><div class="yiv3636385993gmail_default" style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;">Clem</div><div> </div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote><div></div> </div></body></html>