<div dir="ltr">thanks for register history at [1] some interesting program to circuit analysis. great! i do not could imagine that time lisp run this things! today we could use opensource wxmaxima with freedom for anyone in anyplace read, study and use. thanks for task like yours! regards<div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="https://ia801607.us.archive.org/19/items/bitsavers_tymshareSDircuitAnalysisProgramNov70_3815924/ECAP_Electronic_Circuit_Analysis_Program_Nov70.pdf">https://ia801607.us.archive.org/19/items/bitsavers_tymshareSDircuitAnalysisProgramNov70_3815924/ECAP_Electronic_Circuit_Analysis_Program_Nov70.pdf</a><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-03-03 0:29 GMT-03:00 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:simh-request@trailing-edge.com" target="_blank">simh-request@trailing-edge.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Simh mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. SDS 940 TSS bring-up update (Mark Emmer)<br>
2. Re: SDS 940 TSS bring-up update (Alan Frisbie)<br>
3. Getting rsxs to run on the pdp11 emulator (Bill Cunningham)<br>
<br><br>---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------<br>From: Mark Emmer <<a href="mailto:markemmer@snobol4.com">markemmer@snobol4.com</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com">simh@trailing-edge.com</a>><br>Cc: <br>Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 17:29:42 -0600<br>Subject: [Simh] SDS 940 TSS bring-up update<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">All,<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Background: In 2005 Al Kossow supplied me with several
thousand SDS 940 files extracted from archival tapes. I attempted to bring a
system up using Bob Supnik’s excellent SDS 940 simulator, but became
frustrated with what appeared to be several missing pieces of the monitor. After
failing to locate additional 940 tapes in the basement of the NBS Radio
Building in Boulder where we used to store them in the 1970’s, I put the
project aside, being more than full-time employed then.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">In 2010 I retired and moved to <u></u><u></u>Mexico<u></u><u></u>. I did not pursue the 940
project until a former NBS colleague, Howard Bussey, broached the subject in
January, 2014, with suggestions of alternative approaches. In turn, that
prodded me to write a number of tools to scan the file collection looking for
needed components of the Monitor and Executive, and to create a simulated drum.
Debugging and development has continued intermittently for the last 14 months,
resulting in a state of work that perhaps merits wider discussion of where to
go with it, and whether anyone else wants to join my efforts.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">At the end of this e-mail are my notes on the current
project status. In summary, I have a nice running SDS 940 time sharing system
with components to edit, assemble and link code. In the “eating your own
dog food” department, I can assemble, link and run the system and make
changes to it; no cross-assembly necessary. I have no doubt that if I installed
the simulator on a Raspberry Pi attached to my router, any of you could telnet
in and have a productive session.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">There’s still a lot to do in terms of finding and building
the remaining subsystems like FORTRAN, BASIC and SNOBOL. Getting the system
built with a permanent hard disk file system instead of the drum’s
temporary file system would make this easier, not having to copy files from the
host each session via simulated paper tape.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Does anyone think there’s sufficient interest to make
this a GITHUB collaborative project? Or should I just labor away as time and
energy permits? For privacy reasons, I can’t make the multi-thousand
file archive public, because there’s personal information such as resumes
buried among the archives that must be searched for relevant source files. However,
I could put on GITHUB just those files I’ve found as well as the tools I’ve
developed. The effort to manage a GITHUB repository would only be worth it if
others contributed. As a distribution system to just a few folks, I can do that
more easily as a zip file.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"><u></u> <u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Many thanks to Al Kossow for the original tape files, to Bob
Supnik for an excellent simulator, to <u></u>Mark<u></u>
Pizzolato for his patience with my many screwups sending bugfixes to the SIMH
archive, and to Howard Bussey for poking me to give this another try.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Mark</span></font><u></u><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial"> Emmer<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial">Pátzcuaro, Michoacán, México<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Received about 2,470 extracted
files from the L16x tape set. These included source, binary, save and dump
format files. Wrote a number of C tools to find needed code amongst the memory
save files and to convert to formats needed by the simulator.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">By finding memory save image files
of needed components, was able to build a simulated drum with the Time Sharing
System's Monitor, Exec, user directory and these functional applications:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">NARP - New ARPAS Assembler<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">DDT - Linker, loader, debugger<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">QED - Text editor<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><u></u><u></u><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">CAL</span></font><u></u><u></u><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"> - Conversational Algebraic
Language<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">LISP - LISP programming language<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">CCP - Conditional Command
Processor<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Can transfer files between the
host O/S and 940 exec via paper tape reader and punch. Files are stored on
drum. Multiple simultaneous users can be accommodated via multiple telnet
sessions.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">CCP program that stuffs input to
and steals output from a pseudo teletype to process command files works
properly.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Can reassemble and link the
Monitor and Exec and install on drum using a CCP command file. Have created a
paper-tape bootstrap to load the production or debug monitor from the drum
based on console breakpoint switch setting.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Fixed various errors in the 940 simulator
that caused Monitor, Exec and subsystem malfunctions.<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">To Do:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:middle"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Rebuild
Monitor and Exec to include support for Data Products or Bryant movable
arm disk to provide permanent file storage.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="2" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:middle"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Attempt
to build all applications from source files. In addition to those listed
above, need to find source files to build: OLDDDT, SNOBOL3, SNOBOL4, QSPL,
RUNOFF, BASIC, FORTRAN II, FORTRAN IV and MAIL. Will add them to the Exec
command tables to make them built-in commands, rather than applications
that are launched by the GO TO <savefile> command.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="3" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:middle"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Find
the OPER program so can manage users and file directories.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="4" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:middle"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Find
the NEWTAPE program to properly initialize a mag tape with a file
directory.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="5" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:middle"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Get
the Monitor and Exec assembly symbols that are saved on drum to work
properly with DDT so can debug/inspect a running or crashed system. The
mechanism used was designed for OLDDDT, which so far I have not been able
to locate.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="6" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:middle"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Having
the QSPL compile running will allow investigation of the many QSPL source
programs in the collection.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
</ol>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="7" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:middle"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Comb
through the 2,470 files as well as files on the L14x tape set for other
interesting programs. For example, L14x appears to contain files for
PCAP, an early class scheduling program, with data files that make it look
like it was used by the E.E. department at UCB.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
<li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:middle"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Create
a front panel display for the running system.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
</ol>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Failures:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:middle"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Never
could build a proper mag tape image that would work with the system. The
system build was for a RAD/tape system with no disk storage. This SDS
release uses an overwrite-in-place mechanism to maintain a random-access
read/write file system on tape, complete with user directories. Never did
find the NEWTAPE program that's supposed to initialize a tape, and all
attempts to create a binary tape image that would satisfy the Exec's tape
mount command failed. While I can boot a system from a mag tape image
file, all file transfers between the host and the TSS have to be
accomplished via simulated paper tape.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
</ol>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana"> <u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">Blue-Sky for someone else To Do:<u></u><u></u></span></font></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:middle"><font face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana">There's
a build switch in the monitor for SRI, and tantalizing hints of code for
Douglas Englebart's NLS, such as finding that the SMT (Shared Memory
Table) reserves 8 drum pages for NLS. There’s 940 code in the
monitor to interface to a PDP-5. However, to date, no source code has been
found for NLS. To duplicate the original SDS 940 hardware implementation
would require a PDP-5 simulator with associated CRT display and
information on how it was attached to the SDS 940.<u></u><u></u></span></font></li>
</ol>
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<br><br>---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------<br>From: Alan Frisbie <<a href="mailto:frisbie@flying-disk.com">frisbie@flying-disk.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:SIMH@trailing-edge.com">SIMH@trailing-edge.com</a><br>Cc: <br>Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 17:17:19 -0800 (PST)<br>Subject: Re: [Simh] SDS 940 TSS bring-up update<br><br>
> At the end of this e-mail are my notes on the current project<br>
> status. In summary, I have a nice running SDS 940 time sharing<br>
> system with components to edit, assemble and link code.<br>
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This brings back fond memories of using the SDS 940 on Tymshare's<br>
network back in 1968/1969. In particular, I really liked the<br>
QED editor. It had some nice features for working over slow<br>
TTY lines.<br>
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Among the stuff I'm cleaning out of my storage units is a box of<br>
Tymshare manuals. Needless to say, I am going to scan them for<br>
Bitsavers. Would you (or anyone else) like the hardcopies when<br>
I'm done scanning them?<br>
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Alan Frisbie<br>
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<br><br>---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------<br>From: Bill Cunningham <<a href="mailto:billcun@suddenlink.net">billcun@suddenlink.net</a>><br>To: <<a href="mailto:Simh@trailing-edge.com">Simh@trailing-edge.com</a>><br>Cc: <br>Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 22:29:15 -0500<br>Subject: [Simh] Getting rsxs to run on the pdp11 emulator<br> Is there an instruction sheet anywhere for simh to load the rsx OS I think it's rsx-11m to use with the pdp11 simh emulator?<br>
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Bill<br>
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