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<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="color:#1F497D">>> I
don’t think the DUP11 was ever a supported device on VMS. <br>
<br>
</span>Yes, it was. See <a
href="http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/spddecnetplusvax73.pdf">http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/spddecnetplusvax73.pdf</a>
page 13 table 2. DUP wasn't added in 7.3; it would have been
there all along. This was just the first SPD I grabbed. There
were also sync line adapters for Microvax - I have one here, I
think. DSW4{1,2,3}. And QBus (DPV/DSV, BI (DMB/DSB). Gory
details in the SPD.<br>
<br>
You needed the WAN Drivers layered product, though.<br>
<blockquote type="cite">The DUP11 is supported on a VAXBI system
fitted<br>
with a DWBUA UNIBUS adapter for VAX 8200, VAX<br>
8250, VAX 8300, VAX 8300, VAX 8350, VAX 8500,<br>
VAX 8530, VAX 8550, VAX 8700, and VAX 8800 systems only</blockquote>
<br>
(Oddly, I didn't see DMC/DMR listed, but I do remember them
working...)<br>
<br>
Yes, Phase V supported DDCMP as a transport layer. No version
change.<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 07-Jun-13 15:45, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I believe that
the DUP11 emulation is working. It has been tested
minimally on RSX11M+ talking to RSX11M+. Never having been
a user of these systems I don’t have enough experience to do
rigorous testing. Anyone willing to test more rigorously is
welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In theory, the
DUP11 could work for VAX Unibus systems, however I don’t
think the DUP11 was ever a supported device on VMS. Maybe
for DECnet Phase V, but I can’t seem to find support prior
to that. Even in the DECnet Phase V case, the DUP11
smiulation ONLY supports DDCMP on the wire and I don’t know
if that was what DECnet Phase V spoke on the wire… I
welcome anyone with the experience to test. Contact me
offline for specific help.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The current
code at github.com/simh/simh (downloadable as <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/simh/simh/archive/master.zip">https://github.com/simh/simh/archive/master.zip</a>)
will build PDP11 and all the Unibus VAX simulators with
DUP11 support. If DDCMP on DUP11’s was never a supported
protocol for VMS, we’ll probably remove the DUP from the VAX
simulators before things settle down.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As Rob and Tim
have said, the KDP is still a work in progress. The
ultimate goal will be to have the KDP talk to other KDP’s
and bare DUP11’s and the DMC11 all speaking DDCMP on the
wire.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The original
KDP code spoke partial DDCMP on the wire (without DDCMP’s
CRC’s) and as Tim mentions below, had numerous issues with
some required OS interactions as well as correct observance
of DDCMP’s packet boundaries in the data stream.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Rob’s DMC11
implementation didn’t speak DDCMP on the wire at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So work is
ongoing to get each of these devices to talk a common
language and to meet OS expectations..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com">simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com">mailto:simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Timothe Litt<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 07, 2013 11:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com">simh@trailing-edge.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulator with
DMR/KDP support?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve decided to try my hand at
building a TOPS-10 with DECnet on a KS10/simh. I
followed a lot of the discussion of this a couple of
months ago, but I’m not sure where it all ended. Can
anybody point me to a copy of the PDP10 simh with the
latest DMR/KDP support?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here's what I know:<br>
<br>
Rob Jarrett ported a KDP simulation to the latest
emulator. It didn't quite work. There's a personal repo
on github, but it's not worth a pointer.<br>
<br>
I have 2 -10s and 2 -20s configured for DECnet (and
ANF-10) running on my desktop. (!) No 11-based ANF nodes
yet.<br>
<br>
I made some progress - I had ANF-10 up for an hour or so;
DECnet-10 not at all; DECnet-20 sometimes. The KDP
emulation is missing some commands that the OSs count on.
My code isn't in the repo, yet.<br>
<br>
Mark Pizzolato has a DUP emulation that he says is mostly
working on 11s and VMS. Rather than keep two DUP
emulations, the plan was to split the KDP into the KMC +
DUP, rather like the real hardware.<br>
<br>
I've been off line for about the past 10 daze - e-mail
appears and disappears on my servers - the responsible
party calls it an 'upgrade', so I'm not sure what the
current state pf the KDP/DMR work is.<br>
<br>
I have tracked down the COMIOP-DUP microcode USER's
documentation with the help of Al Kossow and Cynde Moya,
and it's on bitsavers along with the DMR tech manuals.
(Both even agree with my memory.) <br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/unibus/AA-5670A-TC_COMM_IOP-DUP_Programming_Manual_Jan78.pdf"><br>
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/unibus/AA-5670A-TC_COMM_IOP-DUP_Programming_Manual_Jan78.pdf</a>
and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/unibus/EK-DMR11-TM-002_Jan81.pdf">http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/unibus/EK-DMR11-TM-002_Jan81.pdf</a>;
also <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/unibus/EK-DMR11-UG-002_DMR11_Synchronous_Controller_Users_Guide_Dec80.pdf">http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/unibus/EK-DMR11-UG-002_DMR11_Synchronous_Controller_Users_Guide_Dec80.pdf</a><br>
<br>
Once I catch up on e-mail, I'll see what I can do to help,
depending on where Mark and Rob are. (They may have given
up on me due to my on/off (mostly off) mail service.
Hopefully that's fixed.)<br>
<br>
I have 2,475 e-mail messages to sort thru before I'm
up-to-date...but should have some time this weekend. I
hope.<br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 07-Jun-13 13:36, Bob Armstrong
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> I’ve decided to try my hand at
building a TOPS-10 with DECnet on a KS10/simh. I followed
a lot of the discussion of this a couple of months ago,
but I’m not sure where it all ended. Can anybody point me
to a copy of the PDP10 simh with the latest DMR/KDP
support?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Bob Armstrong<o:p></o:p></p>
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