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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix"><span style="color:#1F497D">>> I
        don’t think the DUP11 was ever a supported device on VMS. <br>
        <br>
      </span>Yes, it was.  See <a
        href="http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/spddecnetplusvax73.pdf">http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/spddecnetplusvax73.pdf</a>
      page 13 table 2.  DUP wasn't added in 7.3;  it would have been
      there all along.  This was just the first SPD I grabbed.  There
      were also sync line adapters for Microvax - I have one here, I
      think.  DSW4{1,2,3}.  And QBus (DPV/DSV, BI (DMB/DSB).  Gory
      details in the SPD.<br>
      <br>
      You needed the WAN Drivers layered product, though.<br>
      <blockquote type="cite">The DUP11 is supported on a VAXBI system
        fitted<br>
        with a DWBUA UNIBUS adapter for VAX 8200, VAX<br>
        8250, VAX 8300, VAX 8300, VAX 8350, VAX 8500,<br>
        VAX 8530, VAX 8550, VAX 8700, and VAX 8800 systems only</blockquote>
      <br>
      (Oddly, I didn't see DMC/DMR listed, but I do remember them
      working...)<br>
      <br>
      Yes, Phase V supported DDCMP as a transport layer.  No version
      change.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
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if any, on the matters discussed. 
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      On 07-Jun-13 15:45, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I believe that
            the DUP11 emulation is working.  It has been tested
            minimally on RSX11M+ talking to RSX11M+.  Never having been
            a user of these systems I don’t have enough experience to do
            rigorous testing.  Anyone willing to test more rigorously is
            welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In theory, the
            DUP11 could work for VAX Unibus systems, however I don’t
            think the DUP11 was ever a supported device on VMS.  Maybe
            for DECnet Phase V, but I can’t seem to find support prior
            to that.  Even in the DECnet Phase V case, the DUP11
            smiulation ONLY supports DDCMP on the wire and I don’t know
            if that was what DECnet Phase V spoke on the wire…  I
            welcome anyone with the experience to test.  Contact me
            offline for specific help.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The current
            code at github.com/simh/simh (downloadable as <a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="https://github.com/simh/simh/archive/master.zip">https://github.com/simh/simh/archive/master.zip</a>)
            will build PDP11 and all the Unibus VAX simulators with
            DUP11 support.  If DDCMP on DUP11’s was never a supported
            protocol for VMS, we’ll probably remove the DUP from the VAX
            simulators before things settle down.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">As Rob and Tim
            have said, the KDP is still a work in progress.  The
            ultimate goal will be to have the KDP talk to other KDP’s
            and bare DUP11’s and the DMC11 all speaking DDCMP on the
            wire.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The original
            KDP code spoke partial DDCMP on the wire (without DDCMP’s
            CRC’s) and as Tim mentions below, had numerous issues with
            some required OS interactions as well as correct observance
            of DDCMP’s packet boundaries in the data stream.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Rob’s DMC11
            implementation didn’t speak DDCMP on the wire at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So work is
            ongoing to get each of these devices to talk a common
            language and to meet OS expectations..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            style="color:#1F497D">Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com">simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com</a>
                  [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com">mailto:simh-bounces@trailing-edge.com</a>] <b>On Behalf
                    Of </b>Timothe Litt<br>
                  <b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 07, 2013 11:29 AM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:simh@trailing-edge.com">simh@trailing-edge.com</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Simh] PDP-10 simulator with
                  DMR/KDP support?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
              <p class="MsoNormal">I’ve decided to try my hand at
                building a TOPS-10 with DECnet on a KS10/simh.  I
                followed a lot of the discussion of this a couple of
                months ago, but I’m not sure where it all ended.  Can
                anybody point me to a copy of the PDP10 simh with the
                latest DMR/KDP support?<o:p></o:p></p>
            </blockquote>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Here's what I know:<br>
              <br>
              Rob Jarrett ported a KDP simulation to the latest
              emulator.  It didn't quite work.  There's a personal repo
              on github, but it's not worth a pointer.<br>
              <br>
              I have 2 -10s and 2 -20s  configured for DECnet (and
              ANF-10) running on my desktop. (!)  No 11-based ANF nodes
              yet.<br>
              <br>
              I made some progress - I had ANF-10 up for an hour or so;
              DECnet-10 not at all; DECnet-20 sometimes.  The KDP
              emulation is missing some commands that the OSs count on. 
              My code isn't in the repo, yet.<br>
              <br>
              Mark Pizzolato has a DUP emulation that he says is mostly
              working on 11s and VMS.  Rather than keep two DUP
              emulations, the plan was to split the KDP into the KMC +
              DUP, rather like the real hardware.<br>
              <br>
              I've been off line for about the past 10 daze - e-mail
              appears and disappears on my servers - the responsible
              party calls it an 'upgrade', so I'm not sure what the
              current state pf the KDP/DMR work is.<br>
              <br>
              I have tracked down the COMIOP-DUP microcode USER's
              documentation with the help of Al Kossow and Cynde Moya,
              and it's on bitsavers along with the DMR tech manuals. 
              (Both even agree with my memory.) <br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/unibus/AA-5670A-TC_COMM_IOP-DUP_Programming_Manual_Jan78.pdf"><br>
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/unibus/AA-5670A-TC_COMM_IOP-DUP_Programming_Manual_Jan78.pdf</a>
              and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/unibus/EK-DMR11-TM-002_Jan81.pdf">http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/unibus/EK-DMR11-TM-002_Jan81.pdf</a>;
              also  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/unibus/EK-DMR11-UG-002_DMR11_Synchronous_Controller_Users_Guide_Dec80.pdf">http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/dec/unibus/EK-DMR11-UG-002_DMR11_Synchronous_Controller_Users_Guide_Dec80.pdf</a><br>
              <br>
              Once I catch up on e-mail, I'll see what I can do to help,
              depending on where Mark and Rob are.  (They may have given
              up on me  due to my on/off (mostly off) mail service. 
              Hopefully that's fixed.)<br>
              <br>
              I have 2,475 e-mail messages to sort thru before I'm
              up-to-date...but should have some time this weekend.  I
              hope.<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
            <pre>This communication may not represent my employer's views,<o:p></o:p></pre>
            <pre>if any, on the matters discussed. <o:p></o:p></pre>
            <p class="MsoNormal">On 07-Jun-13 13:36, Bob Armstrong
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">  I’ve decided to try my hand at
              building a TOPS-10 with DECnet on a KS10/simh.  I followed
              a lot of the discussion of this a couple of months ago,
              but I’m not sure where it all ended.  Can anybody point me
              to a copy of the PDP10 simh with the latest DMR/KDP
              support?<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Bob Armstrong<o:p></o:p></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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