[Simh] hp alternatives

[Clem Cole]

Here is a pointer to a number of different basics.
https://www.thefreecountry.com/compilers/basic.shtml
It has been a while, but accept for the issue that Kevin mentioned of
lacking the VMS (or TOPS) system services, I have used a couple of these
run some old Vax/PDP-10/RSTS DEC Basic codes.   Vintage and Bywater were
the two that I remember I had to the most success in understanding files
from DEC versions.   I had some programs (games) from a Dad that before he
died I got running on his Mac so he could play them/mess around a little.
 He had dementia at the time but for some reason, he could remember his
running (and teaching) Basic which he learned in the late 50s/early 60s.
He had a hard time with the GUI and I would explain it.   So I got a couple
do them running at the time, and it was good enough for that task.  But
....  I have not messed with any of that in 5+ years.

The one thing from my todo list of that time, which I started but never
completed was trying to get a ASR-33 emulator running for him.   I still
want that for simh reasons (like my PiDP-8 and PiDP-11).

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 6:21 PM Kevin Handy <khandy21yo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Porting VAX Basic... Sort of...
>
> I have a program that does a bunch of the work to conovert VaxBasic to
> C++, but it doesn't do everything.  There's a lot of stuff that just
> doesn't exist on other OS's, like the SMG, RMS, LBR, etc.
>
> https://github.com/khandy21yo/btran.git
>
> there are probably lots of bugs, and you may need to reformat your source
> slightly (add some spaces in confusing parsing conditions for example). You
> may also need to edit the generated C++ to get it right.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 8:20 AM E J Jaquay <edj.jaquay at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have been able to replace RMS indexed files with BerkelyDB without many
>> issues so that is one alternative.  Just have to replace I/O statements
>> with functions that do the appropriate calls.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 20:10 Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> is there a way to port vax basic?
>>> please dont say visual basic, it's awful.
>>>
>>> heck even vax Pascal is vastly different from free Pascal.
>>>
>>> dcl? nothing remotely like it really, bash?
>>>
>>> how about indexed files?
>>> rdbms is a poor man's alternative.
>>>
>>> vax vms is truly unique.
>>> and will always be my favorite.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Try: https://www.grammarly.com
>>>
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>>> *From:* Simh <simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com> on behalf of Kevin Handy <
>>> khandy21yo at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2020 6:44:53 PM
>>> *To:* Simh <simh at trailing-edge.com>
>>> *Subject:* [Simh] hp alternatives
>>>
>>> Since GP is exiting the VMS arena, and dropping the hobbyist licenses, I
>>> was wondering about alternatives for running old VMS code.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of C, FORTRAN, etc compilers on Linux/etc, but if there
>>> were comparable VMS libraries (open source) for things like RMS, SMG, LBR,
>>> etc, then many programs culd be run on other platforms.
>>>
>>> I know there are commercial products like these, BUT The licensing
>>> doesn't help hobbyist who want to share code.
>>>
>>> Are there any of these available? I've done a few functions to convert
>>> VMS calls to Linux calls before, but only for a few functions.
>>>
>>> I just thought it would be another way to simulate some of VMS st
>>> another level than simh/vax/vms.
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