[Simh] EXT :Re: Simh Digest, Vol 172, Issue 4

Tue May 8 14:59:45 EDT 2018

In addition to Dave's comments:

For a MSwin PC, I've switched to VcXsrv (vcxsrv.sourceforge.net) from
Xming.  It's free, and works better - especially the mouse &
interactions with local windows.

If your host is VMS, you may need to SET DISPLAY; a unix, set the
DISPLAY environment variable.  This is often magically done by your SSH
client & server.  You may need to enable X11 forwarding.  (e.g. in
PuTTY, under X11 options; on the host - it depends.  For Unix, see
sshd_config.)

To simplify life, I recommend getting X11 working with your client (X11
server, ssh - or other remote terminal) from a modern OS first.  (I use
Linux.)  XClock is my favorite test.  Once that's sorted out, work on
the Motif machine. 

If the host is Unixy, one frequent gotcha is the MIT Magic Cookie
failing if you use su/sudo.

As Dave said, if you want specific help, provide full environment
information.  OS on each end; X server, how client and server are
connected (protocol, software).  Including versions.

Also, note that x.org has deprecated a number of the X11 extensions that
VMS & Tru64 liked.  So the latest version of the X11 server may not be
the best - versions matter.

Have fun.

On 08-May-18 14:38, Hittner, David T [US] (MS) wrote:
>
> You have asked for a rather generic X how-to without providing much of
> the useful information needed to help instruct you.
>
>  
>
> The most important information is what X (windows/motif) Client you
> will be running the applications on – this is usually the guest OS
> (OpenVMS, Tru64, BSD, etc.) running in the SIMH simulation, and what X
> Server (usually run on the PC that you want to connect to the guest
> OS) that you will be running.
>
>  
>
> From your email we might presume OpenVMS on SIMH VAX, and the native X
> server (Gnome?) on Ubuntu. If you provide more server and client
> information, someone can provide more detailed instructions.
>
>  
>
> Generally:
>
> 1)      Install the X Client software (applications) on the virtual
> system (guest OS). If this is DecWindows/Motif on OpenVMS, read the
> fine installation manual - making sure to follow the AUTOGEN
> instructions to start up the windowing system on boot and adding
> enough reserved memory to prevent detached application crashes. :-)
>
> 2)      Install the X server on the graphical visualization system
> (usually a PC). This is already done if running Linux on a PC in
> graphical mode. On Windows, install your favorite X Server software
> (Pathworks, Hummingbird, Attachmate, PuTTY, MING, etc.)
>
> 3)      On the X Server side, make sure the permissions are set to
> allow the X Client’s  IP (guest OS IP) to display to the X Server.
>
> 4)      Connect from the X Server system to the X Client system via
> Telnet, SSH, or a native X Server connection interface, depending on
> the X Server system’s capabilities.
>
> 5)      On the X Client side, start up the X application (XClock,
> Xterm, etc.) and export the X application session to the X Server
> visualizer (PC). The export and start up method methods vary depending
> on the X Client and guest OS. I would recommend starting with XClock
> or XEyes as your simplest connection tests.
>
>  
>
> Dave
>
>  
>
> *From:*Simh [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com] *On Behalf Of
> *Phil King
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 8, 2018 12:26 PM
> *To:* simh at trailing-edge.com
> *Subject:* EXT :Re: [Simh] Simh Digest, Vol 172, Issue 4
>
>  
>
> Hello 
>
>  
>
> May i ask for a how to manual for running windows motiff i use all the
> instructions for every body i find and i still get can not display or
> somthing like that i dont have it in front of me.. 
>
> i am using ubuntu 18.04 on both my notebook and my dell server.. The
> dell server is going to be my cluster server as soon as i can get the
> first instance working .. so please let me know. 
>
>  
>
> Phil
>
> thanks in advance
>
>  
>
> Philip King 4681 Carr Rd Hillsboro Ohio 45121 9374421909
> prk62 at yahoo.com <mailto:prk62 at yahoo.com>
>
>  
>
>  
>
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2018, 12:00:58 PM EDT,
> simh-request at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh-request at trailing-edge.com>
> <simh-request at trailing-edge.com
> <mailto:simh-request at trailing-edge.com>> wrote:
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Send Simh mailing list submissions to
>
>     simh at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh at trailing-edge.com>
>
>  
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>
>     http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
>
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>
>     simh-request at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh-request at trailing-edge.com>
>
>  
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>
>     simh-owner at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simh-owner at trailing-edge.com>
>
>  
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>
> than "Re: Contents of Simh digest..."
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>  
>
>   1. Re:  Problems running simH in Android (Mark Pizzolato)
>
>  
>
>  
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  
>
> Message: 1
>
> Date: Tue, 8 May 2018 08:13:20 -0700
>
> From: Mark Pizzolato <Mark at infocomm.com <mailto:Mark at infocomm.com>>
>
> To: Ray Jewhurst <raywjewhurst at gmail.com
> <mailto:raywjewhurst at gmail.com>>, simh
>
>     <simH at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simH at trailing-edge.com>>
>
> Subject: Re: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
>
> Message-ID:
>
>    
> <03006E3FC39B5A48AB9DBCCC101090A834345BC4B1 at REDROOF2.alohasunset.com
> <mailto:03006E3FC39B5A48AB9DBCCC101090A834345BC4B1 at REDROOF2.alohasunset.com>>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>  
>
> To follow up a little more on this.
>
>  
>
> The call to tcsetattr() is failing with errno: 13 – Permission denied
>
>  
>
> From: Mark Pizzolato
>
> Sent: Sunday, May 6, 2018 11:47 PM
>
> To: Mark Pizzolato <Mark at infocomm.com <mailto:Mark at infocomm.com>>; Ray
> Jewhurst <raywjewhurst at gmail.com <mailto:raywjewhurst at gmail.com>>;
> simh <simH at trailing-edge.com <mailto:simH at trailing-edge.com>>
>
> Subject: RE: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
>
>  
>
> I did a little digging and struggled with typing a whole bunch on my
>
> phone.
>
>  
>
> The problem you’re seeing is due to the Linux OS environment you’re
>
> running under doesn’t support ‘raw’ mode for terminal I/O.  When you
>
> start a simulator the traffic to/from the simulated console device is
>
> expected to be exactly the characters that the user types on the console
>
> keyboard.  To achieve this, the current tt mode is gathered with
> tcgetattr()
>
> then those attributes are adjusted so that every character typed is
> received
>
> without any interpretation by the OS and output is also not translated
> (i.e.
>
> \n only sends a LF character instead of CRLF characters).  The error
> message,
>
> you seeing is due to the call a tcsetattr() failing.
>
>  
>
> From: Simh [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com
> <mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com>] On Behalf Of Mark Pizzolato
>
> Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 8:38 PM
>
> To: Ray Jewhurst <raywjewhurst at gmail.com
> <mailto:raywjewhurst at gmail.com><mailto:raywjewhurst at gmail.com
> <mailto:raywjewhurst at gmail.com>>>; simh <simH at trailing-edge.com
> <mailto:simH at trailing-edge.com><mailto:simH at trailing-edge.com
> <mailto:simH at trailing-edge.com>>>
>
> Subject: Re: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
>
>  
>
> If you’re not comfortable digging into this yourself, then please
> create an
>
> Issue at https://github.com/simh/simh/issues
> <https://github.com/simh/simh/issues%20>and spell out exactly how to
>
> recreate your setup and reproduce the problem.
>
>  
>
> From: Simh [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com
> <mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com>] On Behalf Of Ray Jewhurst
>
> Sent: Saturday, May 5, 2018 5:48 PM
>
> To: simh <simH at trailing-edge.com
> <mailto:simH at trailing-edge.com><mailto:simH at trailing-edge.com
> <mailto:simH at trailing-edge.com>>>
>
> Subject: [Simh] Problems running simH in Android
>
>  
>
> Greetings
>
>  
>
> I have been trying forever to get simh to run under the Termux Android
> shell app and got very close but no cigar. It builds okay but then
> when I try running it, it starts fine but when I go to run an OS,  I
> get this:
>
>  
>
> PDP-11 simulator V4.0-0 Current        git commit id: f2f4bfa8
>
> sim> do rt1154f.ini
>
> Disabling XQ
>
> rt1154f.ini-3> b rk0
>
> sim_ttrun() returned: Console input I/O error
>
> sim>
>
>  
>
> Any ideas?
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
>  
>
> Ray
>
> -------------- next part --------------
>
> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>
> URL:
> <http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/pipermail/simh/attachments/20180508/48efd5ce/attachment-0001.html>
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------
>
>  
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
>
>  
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> Simh mailing list
>
> Simh at trailing-edge.com <mailto:Simh at trailing-edge.com>
>
> http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------
>
>  
>
> End of Simh Digest, Vol 172, Issue 4
>
> ************************************
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Simh mailing list
> Simh at trailing-edge.com
> http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/pipermail/simh/attachments/20180508/c743d584/attachment-0001.html>