[Simh] VMS 1.5 installable?

Sun Nov 5 06:12:15 EST 2017

Did VMS 1.5 support the TS11? I thought the TS11 came out later.

On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 10:39:15 +0000
Peter Allan <petermallan at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks to Wilm, I now have VMS 1.5 up and running. This is new
> territory for me since my first exposure to VAXen was in late 1982
> when the version was something like 3.0, or just possibly the last
> version of 2.x. (I didn't pay attention to such things back then. If
> I could write Fortran programs, I was happy.)
> 
> However, the fact that I could complete the installation of VMS 3.0 by
> using a simulated TS11 tape drive when it failed with a TE16 drive
> has got me wondering if there is a bug in simh. Surely on a real
> system you could use a real TS11 or TE16 drive? Obviously there is no
> density on a simulated tape file, but is there any other difference
> between the two simulated tape drives that explains what is going on?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Peter Allan
> 
> 
> On 25 October 2017 at 14:08, Peter Allan <petermallan at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Wilm, I will try that out. I doubt I would have thought of
> > using a TS11 rather than a TE16 without your advice.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > On 25 October 2017 at 12:39, Wilm Boerhout <wboerhout at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Your approach is correct, I have regularly used it over the past
> >> weeks to bring up VMS 1.0.
> >>
> >> I also saw these CRC errors on restore sometimes. There are two
> >> ways around this:
> >>
> >> 1. Mount the 3.0 tape on a generic (newer) VAX/VMS system, use
> >>    $MOUNT/OVER=ID and copy the LIBRARY and OPTIONAL savesets to a
> >>    (RP06-sized) disk in the [0,0] directory. In a later step, $
> >> mount /foreign this disk, and point the installer to this disk as
> >> the source. 2. On your 3.0 system just booted with just the
> >> REQUIRED saveset, use a TS11 and not a TE16 tape unit in the simh
> >> config. Somehow this worked. Also, when you use a TE16, use an
> >> explicit $MOU/FOR /DEN=800. I forget in which version, but this
> >> also worked sometimes.
> >>
> >> HTH
> >>
> >> /Wilm
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Allan schreef op 25-10-2017 om 13:30:
> >>
> >>> Encouraged by all of the posting about running VMS 1.5 on an
> >>> emulated VAX 780 with simh, I have tried to do the same. However,
> >>> I am having a problem.
> >>>
> >>> I don't have an existing VMS 3.x system running (4.6 is my
> >>> earliest), so I tried to do a VMS 3.0 installation using the tape
> >>> from uni-stuttgart which I had downloaded some time ago.
> >>>
> >>> I booted a VMS 4.6 system on an emulated 780 and did an image
> >>> restore using BACKUP of the REQUIRED saveset on the VMS 3.0
> >>> installation tape to an RP06. So far, so good. Then I booted the
> >>> newly created RP06 disk, which continued the installation process
> >>> by attempting to restore the LIBRARY saveset on the VMS 3.0 tape.
> >>> However, this crashed with too many CRC errors.
> >>>
> >>> This is where I am stuck. I could download the tape from
> >>> uni-stuttgart again, but is there any reason to expect a better
> >>> result by doing this? Can someone who has got this to work advise
> >>> me what to try next please. I have downloaded the files that
> >>> Christian posted, but while that has standalone backup on a disk
> >>> image, I need DSC to read the VMS 1.5 tape (don't I?) which is
> >>> the only reason that I was trying to get VMS 3.0 working in the
> >>> first place.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> Peter Allan
> >>>
> >>> On 20 October 2017 at 09:43, Wilm Boerhout <wboerhout at gmail.com
> >>> <mailto: wboerhout at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>     Matt Burke schreef op 17-10-2017 om 23:17:
> >>>
> >>>         You may also want to try VAX/VMS 1.0 (or as close as you
> >>> can get to it):
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>         http://www.9track.net/vms/BB-D782A-BE.zip
> >>>         <http://www.9track.net/vms/BB-D782A-BE.zip>
> >>>
> >>>         This is not taken from an original tape. It's something I
> >>>         reconstructed
> >>>         from a disk containing early VAX/VMS source and binaries.
> >>> The dates
> >>>         indicate that this is earlier than VAX/VMS 1.5.
> >>>         Hopefully someone can find an original at some point.
> >>>
> >>>         Matt
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> >>>
> >>>     Wonderful!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     I now have VMS 1.0 up and running on simh VAX780. Does anyone
> >>> know whereto find the Fortran installation tape for this system?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     BTW, I also use a fine VT52 emulator I found on github.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>     /Wilm
> >>>
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