From jg at jordi.guillaumes.name Wed Feb 12 11:35:16 2014 From: jg at jordi.guillaumes.name (Jordi Guillaumes i Pons) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:35:16 +0100 Subject: [Simh] Networking TOPS-20 using the pdp10 simulator Message-ID: Hello, After (finally!) networking TOPS-10 running on simh using the KDP/DUP siumlator I'm trying to do the same with TOPS-20. I have built a TOPS-20 system and I'm now trying to get DECNET (phase III) running on it. I have followed the instructions contained here: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/DECnet-20/AA-5091B-TM_TOPS-20_DECnet-20_Programmers_Guide_Jan80.pdf and used this tape: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/bits/DEC/pdp10/magtape/dec_distribs/decnet/DECNET-20_V2.1_2020_7-20-82.tap.gz but I can't put it to work (NETCON complains about being unable to get the network topology and FAL dies because an illegal instruction error). Since I seem to remember someone was succesfull networking TOPS-20 over simh, I'd like to know if I'm using the correct software kit, or if there is something not documented to do to put this to work. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES From b4 at gewt.net Wed Feb 12 14:10:31 2014 From: b4 at gewt.net (Cory Smelosky) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:10:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Simh] Networking TOPS-20 using the pdp10 simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: > Hello, > > After (finally!) networking TOPS-10 running on simh using the KDP/DUP siumlator I'm trying to do the same with TOPS-20. I have built a TOPS-20 system and I'm now trying to get DECNET (phase III) running on it. I have followed the instructions contained here: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/DECnet-20/AA-5091B-TM_TOPS-20_DECnet-20_Programmers_Guide_Jan80.pdf and used this tape: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/bits/DEC/pdp10/magtape/dec_distribs/decnet/DECNET-20_V2.1_2020_7-20-82.tap.gz but I can't put it to work (NETCON complains about being unable to get the network topology and FAL dies because an illegal instruction error). Since I seem to remember someone was succesfull networking TOPS-20 over simh, I'd like to know if I'm using the correct software kit, or if there is something not documented to do to put this to work. > Are you going to make a blog post about your TOPS-10 networking journey? > Jordi Guillaumes i Pons > jg at jordi.guillaumes.name > HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES > > _______________________________________________ > Simh mailing list > Simh at trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > > -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects From phiber at phiber.com Wed Feb 12 20:56:12 2014 From: phiber at phiber.com (Mark Abene) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:56:12 -0800 Subject: [Simh] Networking TOPS-20 using the pdp10 simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Silly question, but you did follow the instructions in the Guide specifically for *2020*, correct? The installation for the Model B machines differs a little from the 2020. I'm a little suspicious that FAL is throwing illegal instruction errors... -Mark On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: > Hello, > > After (finally!) networking TOPS-10 running on simh using the KDP/DUP siumlator I'm trying to do the same with TOPS-20. I have built a TOPS-20 system and I'm now trying to get DECNET (phase III) running on it. I have followed the instructions contained here: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/DECnet-20/AA-5091B-TM_TOPS-20_DECnet-20_Programmers_Guide_Jan80.pdf and used this tape: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/bits/DEC/pdp10/magtape/dec_distribs/decnet/DECNET-20_V2.1_2020_7-20-82.tap.gz but I can't put it to work (NETCON complains about being unable to get the network topology and FAL dies because an illegal instruction error). Since I seem to remember someone was succesfull networking TOPS-20 over simh, I'd like to know if I'm using the correct software kit, or if there is something not documented to do to put this to work. > > Jordi Guillaumes i Pons > jg at jordi.guillaumes.name > HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES > > _______________________________________________ > Simh mailing list > Simh at trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh From robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 15 04:18:29 2014 From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com (Robert Jarratt) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:18:29 -0000 Subject: [Simh] Networking TOPS-20 using the pdp10 simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003f01cf2a2e$e415a640$ac40f2c0$@ntlworld.com> I have some instructions from Timothe Litt that helped me to get rid of the FAL error. I can let you have them if that would help. Regards Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing- > edge.com] On Behalf Of Mark Abene > Sent: 13 February 2014 01:56 > To: Jordi Guillaumes i Pons > Cc: simh at trailing-edge.com > Subject: Re: [Simh] Networking TOPS-20 using the pdp10 simulator > > Silly question, but you did follow the instructions in the Guide specifically for > *2020*, correct? > The installation for the Model B machines differs a little from the 2020. I'm a > little suspicious that FAL is throwing illegal instruction errors... > > -Mark > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > After (finally!) networking TOPS-10 running on simh using the KDP/DUP > siumlator I'm trying to do the same with TOPS-20. I have built a TOPS-20 > system and I'm now trying to get DECNET (phase III) running on it. I have > followed the instructions contained here: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni- > stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/DECnet-20/AA-5091B-TM_TOPS- > 20_DECnet-20_Programmers_Guide_Jan80.pdf and used this tape: > http://bitsavers.informatik.uni- > stuttgart.de/bits/DEC/pdp10/magtape/dec_distribs/decnet/DECNET- > 20_V2.1_2020_7-20-82.tap.gz but I can't put it to work (NETCON complains > about being unable to get the network topology and FAL dies because an > illegal instruction error). Since I seem to remember someone was succesfull > networking TOPS-20 over simh, I'd like to know if I'm using the correct > software kit, or if there is something not documented to do to put this to > work. > > > > Jordi Guillaumes i Pons > > jg at jordi.guillaumes.name > > HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simh mailing list > > Simh at trailing-edge.com > > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > _______________________________________________ > Simh mailing list > Simh at trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh From b4 at gewt.net Sat Feb 15 06:15:18 2014 From: b4 at gewt.net (Cory Smelosky) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 06:15:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Simh] PDP-10 simulator bugs Message-ID: Hello, Just got TOPS-10 rolling in the 3.9 version. However: --begin paste-- sim> b rp0 BOOT V4(76) BOOT>molly [Loading from DSKB:MOLLY.EXE[1,4]] MOLLY 15-Feb-14 Why reload: opr Date: Time: Startup option: go ? No KMC-11 for KDP #0. MOLLY 06:14:28 CTY system 4097 Connected to Node MOLLY(11) Line # 62 [Checking terminal type . . . found VT100] .LOGIN 1,2 .R OPR OPR>%%TTY STOMPER - Starting 6:14:38 -- Message from the Accounting System -- Account validation is not required OPR>set ksys now OPR> OPR>quit ? Invalid OPR command specified: "quit" OPR>exit .r opr OPR>set ksys now OPR>quit ? Invalid OPR command specified: "quit" OPR>e ? Invalid OPR command specified: "e" OPR>quit ? Invalid OPR command specified: "quit" OPR>exit .r fildae DETACHING .dir ?LOGIN please .login Job 10 MOLLY CTY # #1,2 [LGNJSP Other jobs same PPN] %LGNSVM Set maximum virtual and physical limits failed 06:15 15-Feb-114 Saturday .r opr OPR>set ksys now OPR> Simulation stopped, PC: 000001 (SOJG 6,1) sim> q Goodbye maelona:pdp10 b4$ ~/simh-git/BIN/pdp10 PDP-10 simulator V4.0-0 Beta git commit id: 02cb5c2d sim> at rp ./ ./disk ./tapes sim> at rp ./disk/ ./disk/dskb.dsk sim> at rp ./disk/dskb.dsk sim> at Too few arguments sim> sh dev PDP-10 simulator configuration CPU idle disabled, Serial: 4097 (default) PAG 2 units TIM address=3760770-3760775 FE 3 units UBA 2 units PTR disabled PTP disabled RY disabled LP20 address=3775400-3775417, vector=754*, DAVFU not ready 6 LPI CR disabled RP address=1776700-1776747, vector=254, 8 units TU address=3772440-3772473, vector=224, 8 units DZ address=3760010-3760047, vector=340-374*, lines=32 DUP disabled KDP disabled DMR disabled sim> aset kdp e Unknown command sim> set kdp enable sim> set dup enable sim> b rp BOOT V4(76) BOOT>molly [Loading from DSKB:MOLLY.EXE[1,4]] MOLLY 15-Feb-14 Why reload: opr Date: %Specified date is prior to monitor creation date. Creation date: 15-Feb-14 Specified date: Monday 15-Feb-99Is Time: Startup option: go [Rebuilding the system search list from the HOM blocks] [Rebuilding the active swapping list from the HOM blocks] [Rebuilding the system dump list from the HOM blocks] MOLLY 06:16:22 CTY system 4097 Connected to Node MOLLY(11) Line # 62 [Checking terminal type . . . [CCPWFD Waiting for file daemon to start] found VT100] .LOGIN 1,2 .R OPR ?Swap read error for job 3[OPR] ? ?Swap read error .%%TTY STOMPER - Starting .r opr ? ?Push down list overflow at user PC 000000 --end paste-- I was unable to do the install in git as a result of this: --begin paste-- Startup option: refresh Needs refreshing: DSB Structure to refresh: dsb ?Stopcode EWB, type=DEBUG, on CPU0 at 15-Feb-99 5:37:59 Unit = RPA0 CPU Status Block APRID = 470130,,010001 CONI APR, = 000000,,000020 CONI PI, = 000000,,000261 CONI PAG, = 000000,,060002 DATAI PAG, = 500100,,000004 ?Unable to find a file on which to dump Do you want to keep this dump? No ;Default answer [Continuing system] ?Stopcode EWB, type=DEBUG, on CPU0 at 15-Feb-99 5:38:01 Unit = RPA0 CPU Status Block APRID = 470130,,010001 CONI APR, = 000000,,000020 CONI PI, = 000000,,000261 CONI PAG, = 000000,,060002 DATAI PAG, = 500100,,000004 ?Unable to find a file on which to dump Do you want to keep this dump? No ;Default answer [Continuing system] ?Stopcode EWB, type=DEBUG, on CPU0 at 15-Feb-99 5:38:03 Unit = RPA0 CPU Status Block APRID = 470130,,010001 CONI APR, = 000000,,000020 CONI PI, = 000000,,000261 CONI PAG, = 000000,,060002 DATAI PAG, = 500100,,000004 ?Unable to find a file on which to dump Do you want to keep this dump? No ;Default answer [Continuing system] ?Stopcode EWB, type=DEBUG, on CPU0 at 15-Feb-99 5:38:04 Unit = RPA0 CPU Status Block APRID = 470130,,010001 CONI APR, = 000000,,000020 CONI PI, = 000000,,000261 CONI PAG, = 000000,,060002 DATAI PAG, = 500100,,000004 ?Stopcode limit exceeded Reload monitor --end paste-- Just a heads up. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects From bqt at softjar.se Sun Feb 16 05:51:23 2014 From: bqt at softjar.se (Johnny Billquist) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:51:23 +0100 Subject: [Simh] tape image manipulations... Message-ID: <5300982B.8010601@softjar.se> Since from time to time, I get questions about the different tape image formats that exists, as well as how to read/write tapes from Unix, I decided to publish a set of small programs I initially write many, many years ago. In the process of cleaning things up to make them more presentable, I also made them more flexible. The odd person might have seen these programs in earlier reincarnations from me at some point in time. Anyway, I have a set of four programs, that a few people might find useful, if they play on Unix systems. tpr - reads from a physical tape and creates an image on disk tpw - reads an image from disk and writes it to a physical tape tpc - copy/convert a disk image tpx - examine/verify a disk image These programs will handle both .tpc images (2 byte record length headers) and .tap images (4 byte record length headers and footers). The programs tries to automatically identify the format of the file, but you can also force a format. They are still extremely simple and stupid programs, and have very little error handling, or help. Feel free to ask if you have questions. Suggestions, as well as patches are also welcome. The files can be found under ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/pdp11/tptools.tar (And yes, I know they will not compile under OSX - Apple in their infinite wisdom have dropped support for tapes, and thus mtio.h no longer is around, and their man-pages also have big holes around tapes, where plenty of references from other man-pages exists... tpc and tpx is easy to fix for OSX though, but you're out of luck as far as tpr and tpw goes...) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol From clemc at ccc.com Sun Feb 16 08:33:49 2014 From: clemc at ccc.com (Clem Cole) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 08:33:49 -0500 Subject: [Simh] [HECnet] tape image manipulations... In-Reply-To: <5300982B.8010601@softjar.se> References: <5300982B.8010601@softjar.se> Message-ID: Many thanks. I think we all have created a library of tape tools over the years. I'll put on my todo this to get my set together. As for the OSX lack of mtio.h - i've just pulled it from FreeBSD and never had an issue - obviously there is not driver. I 100% agree -- it does seems nuts and I've b*tched at my friends at Apple about it a few times. Another thing I have on my todo list is try to slide the drivers back into an hackintosh i had running on a vm in a system that has an old DEC/Adaptec PCI card in it that I still use for SCSI tapes. That said, when I have needed the tape I've just used the BSD driver on the base system. Clem On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 5:51 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > Since from time to time, I get questions about the different tape image > formats that exists, as well as how to read/write tapes from Unix, I > decided to publish a set of small programs I initially write many, many > years ago. In the process of cleaning things up to make them more > presentable, I also made them more flexible. The odd person might have seen > these programs in earlier reincarnations from me at some point in time. > > Anyway, I have a set of four programs, that a few people might find > useful, if they play on Unix systems. > > tpr - reads from a physical tape and creates an image on disk > tpw - reads an image from disk and writes it to a physical tape > tpc - copy/convert a disk image > tpx - examine/verify a disk image > > These programs will handle both .tpc images (2 byte record length headers) > and .tap images (4 byte record length headers and footers). > The programs tries to automatically identify the format of the file, but > you can also force a format. > > They are still extremely simple and stupid programs, and have very little > error handling, or help. Feel free to ask if you have questions. > Suggestions, as well as patches are also welcome. > > The files can be found under ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/pdp11/tptools.tar > > (And yes, I know they will not compile under OSX - Apple in their infinite > wisdom have dropped support for tapes, and thus mtio.h no longer is around, > and their man-pages also have big holes around tapes, where plenty of > references from other man-pages exists... tpc and tpx is easy to fix for > OSX though, but you're out of luck as far as tpr and tpw goes...) > > Johnny > > -- > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus > || on a psychedelic trip > email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdmail at zeelandnet.nl Mon Feb 17 10:50:04 2014 From: jdmail at zeelandnet.nl (Johan) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:50:04 +0100 Subject: [Simh] tops-10/20 question about telnet etc. In-Reply-To: <5300982B.8010601@softjar.se> References: <5300982B.8010601@softjar.se> Message-ID: <000c01cf2bf7$ecae34f0$c60a9ed0$@nl> Gentlemen, As a beginner with TOPS-10, and TOPS 20 I have a question. If I connect over telnet to either one of them, and disconnect (so NOT using KJOB in TOPS-10) and reconnect, I have my session as I left it. When someone else connects, do they see the running session also or remembers the operating system the IP address ? If not then its insecure to connect it to the internet, what I want so my friend and I can play with it together. Or did I miss something ? Simh is been setup with att dz -am 2020 Johan From bygg at cafax.se Mon Feb 17 18:18:49 2014 From: bygg at cafax.se (Johnny Eriksson) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:18:49 WET Subject: [Simh] tops-10/20 question about telnet etc. In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:50:04 +0100 Message-ID: "Johan" wrote: > Gentlemen, > > As a beginner with TOPS-10, and TOPS 20 I have a question. > If I connect over telnet to either one of them, and disconnect (so NOT using > KJOB in TOPS-10) and reconnect, I have my session as I left it. > When someone else connects, do they see the running session also or > remembers the operating system the IP address ? > If not then its insecure to connect it to the internet, what I want so my > friend and I can play with it together. > Or did I miss something ? You are telnetting into SIMH, not into TOPS-x0. Therefore TOPS does not have any idea of your IP address for instance. Anyway, the behaviour depends on if the terminal lines that SIMH connects the incoming TCP connection to is configured as a modem line or not. I think that TOPS by default assumes directly connected terminals and therefore ignores the loss of carrier that results from closing the TCP connection. If the terminal lines are configured with modem control, the job should be detached. > Simh is been setup with att dz -am 2020 Correct, but TOPS must know about this as well. > Johan --Johnny /\_/\ ( *.* ) > ^ < From jdmail at zeelandnet.nl Mon Feb 17 12:49:33 2014 From: jdmail at zeelandnet.nl (Johan) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:49:33 +0100 Subject: [Simh] tops-10/20 question about telnet etc. In-Reply-To: References: Your message of Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:50:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01cf2c08$9dc1d480$d9457d80$@nl> That was what I was afraid for!. Is this possible to so in TOPS ? I have no idea, can you guide me a bit ? Johan -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com] Namens Johnny Eriksson Verzonden: maandag 17 februari 2014 19:19 Aan: 'SIMH' Onderwerp: Re: [Simh] tops-10/20 question about telnet etc. "Johan" wrote: > Gentlemen, > > As a beginner with TOPS-10, and TOPS 20 I have a question. > If I connect over telnet to either one of them, and disconnect (so NOT > using KJOB in TOPS-10) and reconnect, I have my session as I left it. > When someone else connects, do they see the running session also or > remembers the operating system the IP address ? > If not then its insecure to connect it to the internet, what I want so > my friend and I can play with it together. > Or did I miss something ? You are telnetting into SIMH, not into TOPS-x0. Therefore TOPS does not have any idea of your IP address for instance. Anyway, the behaviour depends on if the terminal lines that SIMH connects the incoming TCP connection to is configured as a modem line or not. I think that TOPS by default assumes directly connected terminals and therefore ignores the loss of carrier that results from closing the TCP connection. If the terminal lines are configured with modem control, the job should be detached. > Simh is been setup with att dz -am 2020 Correct, but TOPS must know about this as well. > Johan --Johnny /\_/\ ( *.* ) > ^ < _______________________________________________ Simh mailing list Simh at trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh From markemmer at SNOBOL4.com Fri Feb 21 19:53:25 2014 From: markemmer at SNOBOL4.com (Mark Emmer) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:53:25 -0600 Subject: [Simh] Telnet problem with WinXP Message-ID: <2750908342AC45F99335850929CBDE04@rover2> Hello all, I?m running the SDS 940 simulator on WinXP SP3. When I go to attach the SDS communications mux, I get this: SDS 940 simulator V4.0-0 Beta git commit id: $Format: sim> attach mux 23 Sockets: bind error 10048 - Address already in use File open error sim> By building the simulator with Visual C++ 2010 Express, I tried to breakpoint and debug the socket logic. But every time I did, the attach would work properly. I began to suspect a timing issue, and indeed, adding Sleep(1); as the first statement in sim_master_sock() in sim_sock.c fixes the problem. Sleep(0) [relinquish to any other waiting threads] does not fix the problem. With Sleep(1), I can run my SDS.exe executable outside the debugger, and get this: SDS 940 simulator V4.0-0 Beta git commit id: $Format: sim> attach mux 23 Listening on port 23 sim> I'm not enough of a networking guy to debug this further, nor to I feel confident about committing this change. I'll let others more knowledgeable take it from here. FYI, here's the SHOW VER info: sim> show ver SDS 940 simulator V4.0-0 Beta Simulator Framework Capabilities: 32b data 32b addresses no Ethernet Idle/Throttling support is available Virtual Hard Disk (VHD) support RAW disk and CD/DVD ROM support Host Platform: Compiler: Microsoft Visual C++ 16.00.40219.01 Simulator Compiled: Feb 21 2014 at 18:30:41 Memory Access: Little Endian Memory Pointer Size: 32 bits Large File (>2GB) support OS clock tick size: 1ms OS: Windows: Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 10, GenuineIntel - x86-%PROCESSOR_ARCHITEW6432% git commit id: $Format: sim> This is the ONLY change I've made to the sim*.* and scp*.* files. I have made a number of changes to the sds*.* files fixing bugs in the course of getting the SDS 940 TSS monitor and exec running, but I'll post or commit those later, when I'm further along. Saludos, Mark Emmer Michoac?n, Mexico From aek at bitsavers.org Fri Feb 21 20:45:32 2014 From: aek at bitsavers.org (Al Kossow) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:45:32 -0800 Subject: [Simh] Telnet problem with WinXP In-Reply-To: <2750908342AC45F99335850929CBDE04@rover2> References: <2750908342AC45F99335850929CBDE04@rover2> Message-ID: <5308013C.9000506@bitsavers.org> On 2/21/14 4:53 PM, Mark Emmer wrote: > This is the ONLY change I've made to the sim*.* and scp*.* files. I have > made a number of changes to the sds*.* files fixing bugs in the course of > getting the SDS 940 TSS monitor and exec running, but I'll post or commit > those later, when I'm further along. > This is wonderful news! The problem has been reconstructing the drum image from the existing binaries in the file system images. From simh at alderson.users.panix.com Sun Feb 23 18:33:12 2014 From: simh at alderson.users.panix.com (Rich Alderson) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:33:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Simh] Tim Litt Message-ID: <20140223233312.9B803242E3@panix5.panix.com> Tim, If you're out there, please contact me off-line. I have some questions only you have the answers to. Thanks, Rich Alderson From jg at jordi.guillaumes.name Wed Feb 12 11:35:16 2014 From: jg at jordi.guillaumes.name (Jordi Guillaumes i Pons) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:35:16 +0100 Subject: [Simh] Networking TOPS-20 using the pdp10 simulator Message-ID: Hello, After (finally!) networking TOPS-10 running on simh using the KDP/DUP siumlator I'm trying to do the same with TOPS-20. I have built a TOPS-20 system and I'm now trying to get DECNET (phase III) running on it. I have followed the instructions contained here: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/DECnet-20/AA-5091B-TM_TOPS-20_DECnet-20_Programmers_Guide_Jan80.pdf and used this tape: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/bits/DEC/pdp10/magtape/dec_distribs/decnet/DECNET-20_V2.1_2020_7-20-82.tap.gz but I can't put it to work (NETCON complains about being unable to get the network topology and FAL dies because an illegal instruction error). Since I seem to remember someone was succesfull networking TOPS-20 over simh, I'd like to know if I'm using the correct software kit, or if there is something not documented to do to put this to work. Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES From b4 at gewt.net Wed Feb 12 14:10:31 2014 From: b4 at gewt.net (Cory Smelosky) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:10:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Simh] Networking TOPS-20 using the pdp10 simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: > Hello, > > After (finally!) networking TOPS-10 running on simh using the KDP/DUP siumlator I'm trying to do the same with TOPS-20. I have built a TOPS-20 system and I'm now trying to get DECNET (phase III) running on it. I have followed the instructions contained here: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/DECnet-20/AA-5091B-TM_TOPS-20_DECnet-20_Programmers_Guide_Jan80.pdf and used this tape: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/bits/DEC/pdp10/magtape/dec_distribs/decnet/DECNET-20_V2.1_2020_7-20-82.tap.gz but I can't put it to work (NETCON complains about being unable to get the network topology and FAL dies because an illegal instruction error). Since I seem to remember someone was succesfull networking TOPS-20 over simh, I'd like to know if I'm using the correct software kit, or if there is something not documented to do to put this to work. > Are you going to make a blog post about your TOPS-10 networking journey? > Jordi Guillaumes i Pons > jg at jordi.guillaumes.name > HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES > > _______________________________________________ > Simh mailing list > Simh at trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > > -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects From phiber at phiber.com Wed Feb 12 20:56:12 2014 From: phiber at phiber.com (Mark Abene) Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 17:56:12 -0800 Subject: [Simh] Networking TOPS-20 using the pdp10 simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Silly question, but you did follow the instructions in the Guide specifically for *2020*, correct? The installation for the Model B machines differs a little from the 2020. I'm a little suspicious that FAL is throwing illegal instruction errors... -Mark On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote: > Hello, > > After (finally!) networking TOPS-10 running on simh using the KDP/DUP siumlator I'm trying to do the same with TOPS-20. I have built a TOPS-20 system and I'm now trying to get DECNET (phase III) running on it. I have followed the instructions contained here: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/DECnet-20/AA-5091B-TM_TOPS-20_DECnet-20_Programmers_Guide_Jan80.pdf and used this tape: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/bits/DEC/pdp10/magtape/dec_distribs/decnet/DECNET-20_V2.1_2020_7-20-82.tap.gz but I can't put it to work (NETCON complains about being unable to get the network topology and FAL dies because an illegal instruction error). Since I seem to remember someone was succesfull networking TOPS-20 over simh, I'd like to know if I'm using the correct software kit, or if there is something not documented to do to put this to work. > > Jordi Guillaumes i Pons > jg at jordi.guillaumes.name > HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES > > _______________________________________________ > Simh mailing list > Simh at trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh From robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 15 04:18:29 2014 From: robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com (Robert Jarratt) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 09:18:29 -0000 Subject: [Simh] Networking TOPS-20 using the pdp10 simulator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003f01cf2a2e$e415a640$ac40f2c0$@ntlworld.com> I have some instructions from Timothe Litt that helped me to get rid of the FAL error. I can let you have them if that would help. Regards Rob > -----Original Message----- > From: simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing- > edge.com] On Behalf Of Mark Abene > Sent: 13 February 2014 01:56 > To: Jordi Guillaumes i Pons > Cc: simh at trailing-edge.com > Subject: Re: [Simh] Networking TOPS-20 using the pdp10 simulator > > Silly question, but you did follow the instructions in the Guide specifically for > *2020*, correct? > The installation for the Model B machines differs a little from the 2020. I'm a > little suspicious that FAL is throwing illegal instruction errors... > > -Mark > > > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > After (finally!) networking TOPS-10 running on simh using the KDP/DUP > siumlator I'm trying to do the same with TOPS-20. I have built a TOPS-20 > system and I'm now trying to get DECNET (phase III) running on it. I have > followed the instructions contained here: http://bitsavers.informatik.uni- > stuttgart.de/pdf/dec/pdp10/TOPS20/DECnet-20/AA-5091B-TM_TOPS- > 20_DECnet-20_Programmers_Guide_Jan80.pdf and used this tape: > http://bitsavers.informatik.uni- > stuttgart.de/bits/DEC/pdp10/magtape/dec_distribs/decnet/DECNET- > 20_V2.1_2020_7-20-82.tap.gz but I can't put it to work (NETCON complains > about being unable to get the network topology and FAL dies because an > illegal instruction error). Since I seem to remember someone was succesfull > networking TOPS-20 over simh, I'd like to know if I'm using the correct > software kit, or if there is something not documented to do to put this to > work. > > > > Jordi Guillaumes i Pons > > jg at jordi.guillaumes.name > > HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Simh mailing list > > Simh at trailing-edge.com > > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > _______________________________________________ > Simh mailing list > Simh at trailing-edge.com > http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh From b4 at gewt.net Sat Feb 15 06:15:18 2014 From: b4 at gewt.net (Cory Smelosky) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 06:15:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Simh] PDP-10 simulator bugs Message-ID: Hello, Just got TOPS-10 rolling in the 3.9 version. However: --begin paste-- sim> b rp0 BOOT V4(76) BOOT>molly [Loading from DSKB:MOLLY.EXE[1,4]] MOLLY 15-Feb-14 Why reload: opr Date: Time: Startup option: go ? No KMC-11 for KDP #0. MOLLY 06:14:28 CTY system 4097 Connected to Node MOLLY(11) Line # 62 [Checking terminal type . . . found VT100] .LOGIN 1,2 .R OPR OPR>%%TTY STOMPER - Starting 6:14:38 -- Message from the Accounting System -- Account validation is not required OPR>set ksys now OPR> OPR>quit ? Invalid OPR command specified: "quit" OPR>exit .r opr OPR>set ksys now OPR>quit ? Invalid OPR command specified: "quit" OPR>e ? Invalid OPR command specified: "e" OPR>quit ? Invalid OPR command specified: "quit" OPR>exit .r fildae DETACHING .dir ?LOGIN please .login Job 10 MOLLY CTY # #1,2 [LGNJSP Other jobs same PPN] %LGNSVM Set maximum virtual and physical limits failed 06:15 15-Feb-114 Saturday .r opr OPR>set ksys now OPR> Simulation stopped, PC: 000001 (SOJG 6,1) sim> q Goodbye maelona:pdp10 b4$ ~/simh-git/BIN/pdp10 PDP-10 simulator V4.0-0 Beta git commit id: 02cb5c2d sim> at rp ./ ./disk ./tapes sim> at rp ./disk/ ./disk/dskb.dsk sim> at rp ./disk/dskb.dsk sim> at Too few arguments sim> sh dev PDP-10 simulator configuration CPU idle disabled, Serial: 4097 (default) PAG 2 units TIM address=3760770-3760775 FE 3 units UBA 2 units PTR disabled PTP disabled RY disabled LP20 address=3775400-3775417, vector=754*, DAVFU not ready 6 LPI CR disabled RP address=1776700-1776747, vector=254, 8 units TU address=3772440-3772473, vector=224, 8 units DZ address=3760010-3760047, vector=340-374*, lines=32 DUP disabled KDP disabled DMR disabled sim> aset kdp e Unknown command sim> set kdp enable sim> set dup enable sim> b rp BOOT V4(76) BOOT>molly [Loading from DSKB:MOLLY.EXE[1,4]] MOLLY 15-Feb-14 Why reload: opr Date: %Specified date is prior to monitor creation date. Creation date: 15-Feb-14 Specified date: Monday 15-Feb-99Is Time: Startup option: go [Rebuilding the system search list from the HOM blocks] [Rebuilding the active swapping list from the HOM blocks] [Rebuilding the system dump list from the HOM blocks] MOLLY 06:16:22 CTY system 4097 Connected to Node MOLLY(11) Line # 62 [Checking terminal type . . . [CCPWFD Waiting for file daemon to start] found VT100] .LOGIN 1,2 .R OPR ?Swap read error for job 3[OPR] ? ?Swap read error .%%TTY STOMPER - Starting .r opr ? ?Push down list overflow at user PC 000000 --end paste-- I was unable to do the install in git as a result of this: --begin paste-- Startup option: refresh Needs refreshing: DSB Structure to refresh: dsb ?Stopcode EWB, type=DEBUG, on CPU0 at 15-Feb-99 5:37:59 Unit = RPA0 CPU Status Block APRID = 470130,,010001 CONI APR, = 000000,,000020 CONI PI, = 000000,,000261 CONI PAG, = 000000,,060002 DATAI PAG, = 500100,,000004 ?Unable to find a file on which to dump Do you want to keep this dump? No ;Default answer [Continuing system] ?Stopcode EWB, type=DEBUG, on CPU0 at 15-Feb-99 5:38:01 Unit = RPA0 CPU Status Block APRID = 470130,,010001 CONI APR, = 000000,,000020 CONI PI, = 000000,,000261 CONI PAG, = 000000,,060002 DATAI PAG, = 500100,,000004 ?Unable to find a file on which to dump Do you want to keep this dump? No ;Default answer [Continuing system] ?Stopcode EWB, type=DEBUG, on CPU0 at 15-Feb-99 5:38:03 Unit = RPA0 CPU Status Block APRID = 470130,,010001 CONI APR, = 000000,,000020 CONI PI, = 000000,,000261 CONI PAG, = 000000,,060002 DATAI PAG, = 500100,,000004 ?Unable to find a file on which to dump Do you want to keep this dump? No ;Default answer [Continuing system] ?Stopcode EWB, type=DEBUG, on CPU0 at 15-Feb-99 5:38:04 Unit = RPA0 CPU Status Block APRID = 470130,,010001 CONI APR, = 000000,,000020 CONI PI, = 000000,,000261 CONI PAG, = 000000,,060002 DATAI PAG, = 500100,,000004 ?Stopcode limit exceeded Reload monitor --end paste-- Just a heads up. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects From bqt at softjar.se Sun Feb 16 05:51:23 2014 From: bqt at softjar.se (Johnny Billquist) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:51:23 +0100 Subject: [Simh] tape image manipulations... Message-ID: <5300982B.8010601@softjar.se> Since from time to time, I get questions about the different tape image formats that exists, as well as how to read/write tapes from Unix, I decided to publish a set of small programs I initially write many, many years ago. In the process of cleaning things up to make them more presentable, I also made them more flexible. The odd person might have seen these programs in earlier reincarnations from me at some point in time. Anyway, I have a set of four programs, that a few people might find useful, if they play on Unix systems. tpr - reads from a physical tape and creates an image on disk tpw - reads an image from disk and writes it to a physical tape tpc - copy/convert a disk image tpx - examine/verify a disk image These programs will handle both .tpc images (2 byte record length headers) and .tap images (4 byte record length headers and footers). The programs tries to automatically identify the format of the file, but you can also force a format. They are still extremely simple and stupid programs, and have very little error handling, or help. Feel free to ask if you have questions. Suggestions, as well as patches are also welcome. The files can be found under ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/pdp11/tptools.tar (And yes, I know they will not compile under OSX - Apple in their infinite wisdom have dropped support for tapes, and thus mtio.h no longer is around, and their man-pages also have big holes around tapes, where plenty of references from other man-pages exists... tpc and tpx is easy to fix for OSX though, but you're out of luck as far as tpr and tpw goes...) Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol From clemc at ccc.com Sun Feb 16 08:33:49 2014 From: clemc at ccc.com (Clem Cole) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 08:33:49 -0500 Subject: [Simh] [HECnet] tape image manipulations... In-Reply-To: <5300982B.8010601@softjar.se> References: <5300982B.8010601@softjar.se> Message-ID: Many thanks. I think we all have created a library of tape tools over the years. I'll put on my todo this to get my set together. As for the OSX lack of mtio.h - i've just pulled it from FreeBSD and never had an issue - obviously there is not driver. I 100% agree -- it does seems nuts and I've b*tched at my friends at Apple about it a few times. Another thing I have on my todo list is try to slide the drivers back into an hackintosh i had running on a vm in a system that has an old DEC/Adaptec PCI card in it that I still use for SCSI tapes. That said, when I have needed the tape I've just used the BSD driver on the base system. Clem On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 5:51 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > Since from time to time, I get questions about the different tape image > formats that exists, as well as how to read/write tapes from Unix, I > decided to publish a set of small programs I initially write many, many > years ago. In the process of cleaning things up to make them more > presentable, I also made them more flexible. The odd person might have seen > these programs in earlier reincarnations from me at some point in time. > > Anyway, I have a set of four programs, that a few people might find > useful, if they play on Unix systems. > > tpr - reads from a physical tape and creates an image on disk > tpw - reads an image from disk and writes it to a physical tape > tpc - copy/convert a disk image > tpx - examine/verify a disk image > > These programs will handle both .tpc images (2 byte record length headers) > and .tap images (4 byte record length headers and footers). > The programs tries to automatically identify the format of the file, but > you can also force a format. > > They are still extremely simple and stupid programs, and have very little > error handling, or help. Feel free to ask if you have questions. > Suggestions, as well as patches are also welcome. > > The files can be found under ftp://ftp.update.uu.se/pub/pdp11/tptools.tar > > (And yes, I know they will not compile under OSX - Apple in their infinite > wisdom have dropped support for tapes, and thus mtio.h no longer is around, > and their man-pages also have big holes around tapes, where plenty of > references from other man-pages exists... tpc and tpx is easy to fix for > OSX though, but you're out of luck as far as tpr and tpw goes...) > > Johnny > > -- > Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus > || on a psychedelic trip > email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books > pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdmail at zeelandnet.nl Mon Feb 17 10:50:04 2014 From: jdmail at zeelandnet.nl (Johan) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:50:04 +0100 Subject: [Simh] tops-10/20 question about telnet etc. In-Reply-To: <5300982B.8010601@softjar.se> References: <5300982B.8010601@softjar.se> Message-ID: <000c01cf2bf7$ecae34f0$c60a9ed0$@nl> Gentlemen, As a beginner with TOPS-10, and TOPS 20 I have a question. If I connect over telnet to either one of them, and disconnect (so NOT using KJOB in TOPS-10) and reconnect, I have my session as I left it. When someone else connects, do they see the running session also or remembers the operating system the IP address ? If not then its insecure to connect it to the internet, what I want so my friend and I can play with it together. Or did I miss something ? Simh is been setup with att dz -am 2020 Johan From bygg at cafax.se Mon Feb 17 18:18:49 2014 From: bygg at cafax.se (Johnny Eriksson) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:18:49 WET Subject: [Simh] tops-10/20 question about telnet etc. In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:50:04 +0100 Message-ID: "Johan" wrote: > Gentlemen, > > As a beginner with TOPS-10, and TOPS 20 I have a question. > If I connect over telnet to either one of them, and disconnect (so NOT using > KJOB in TOPS-10) and reconnect, I have my session as I left it. > When someone else connects, do they see the running session also or > remembers the operating system the IP address ? > If not then its insecure to connect it to the internet, what I want so my > friend and I can play with it together. > Or did I miss something ? You are telnetting into SIMH, not into TOPS-x0. Therefore TOPS does not have any idea of your IP address for instance. Anyway, the behaviour depends on if the terminal lines that SIMH connects the incoming TCP connection to is configured as a modem line or not. I think that TOPS by default assumes directly connected terminals and therefore ignores the loss of carrier that results from closing the TCP connection. If the terminal lines are configured with modem control, the job should be detached. > Simh is been setup with att dz -am 2020 Correct, but TOPS must know about this as well. > Johan --Johnny /\_/\ ( *.* ) > ^ < From jdmail at zeelandnet.nl Mon Feb 17 12:49:33 2014 From: jdmail at zeelandnet.nl (Johan) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 18:49:33 +0100 Subject: [Simh] tops-10/20 question about telnet etc. In-Reply-To: References: Your message of Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:50:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01cf2c08$9dc1d480$d9457d80$@nl> That was what I was afraid for!. Is this possible to so in TOPS ? I have no idea, can you guide me a bit ? Johan -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com] Namens Johnny Eriksson Verzonden: maandag 17 februari 2014 19:19 Aan: 'SIMH' Onderwerp: Re: [Simh] tops-10/20 question about telnet etc. "Johan" wrote: > Gentlemen, > > As a beginner with TOPS-10, and TOPS 20 I have a question. > If I connect over telnet to either one of them, and disconnect (so NOT > using KJOB in TOPS-10) and reconnect, I have my session as I left it. > When someone else connects, do they see the running session also or > remembers the operating system the IP address ? > If not then its insecure to connect it to the internet, what I want so > my friend and I can play with it together. > Or did I miss something ? You are telnetting into SIMH, not into TOPS-x0. Therefore TOPS does not have any idea of your IP address for instance. Anyway, the behaviour depends on if the terminal lines that SIMH connects the incoming TCP connection to is configured as a modem line or not. I think that TOPS by default assumes directly connected terminals and therefore ignores the loss of carrier that results from closing the TCP connection. If the terminal lines are configured with modem control, the job should be detached. > Simh is been setup with att dz -am 2020 Correct, but TOPS must know about this as well. > Johan --Johnny /\_/\ ( *.* ) > ^ < _______________________________________________ Simh mailing list Simh at trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh From markemmer at SNOBOL4.com Fri Feb 21 19:53:25 2014 From: markemmer at SNOBOL4.com (Mark Emmer) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 18:53:25 -0600 Subject: [Simh] Telnet problem with WinXP Message-ID: <2750908342AC45F99335850929CBDE04@rover2> Hello all, I’m running the SDS 940 simulator on WinXP SP3. When I go to attach the SDS communications mux, I get this: SDS 940 simulator V4.0-0 Beta git commit id: $Format: sim> attach mux 23 Sockets: bind error 10048 - Address already in use File open error sim> By building the simulator with Visual C++ 2010 Express, I tried to breakpoint and debug the socket logic. But every time I did, the attach would work properly. I began to suspect a timing issue, and indeed, adding Sleep(1); as the first statement in sim_master_sock() in sim_sock.c fixes the problem. Sleep(0) [relinquish to any other waiting threads] does not fix the problem. With Sleep(1), I can run my SDS.exe executable outside the debugger, and get this: SDS 940 simulator V4.0-0 Beta git commit id: $Format: sim> attach mux 23 Listening on port 23 sim> I'm not enough of a networking guy to debug this further, nor to I feel confident about committing this change. I'll let others more knowledgeable take it from here. FYI, here's the SHOW VER info: sim> show ver SDS 940 simulator V4.0-0 Beta Simulator Framework Capabilities: 32b data 32b addresses no Ethernet Idle/Throttling support is available Virtual Hard Disk (VHD) support RAW disk and CD/DVD ROM support Host Platform: Compiler: Microsoft Visual C++ 16.00.40219.01 Simulator Compiled: Feb 21 2014 at 18:30:41 Memory Access: Little Endian Memory Pointer Size: 32 bits Large File (>2GB) support OS clock tick size: 1ms OS: Windows: Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 10, GenuineIntel - x86-%PROCESSOR_ARCHITEW6432% git commit id: $Format: sim> This is the ONLY change I've made to the sim*.* and scp*.* files. I have made a number of changes to the sds*.* files fixing bugs in the course of getting the SDS 940 TSS monitor and exec running, but I'll post or commit those later, when I'm further along. Saludos, Mark Emmer Michoacán, Mexico From aek at bitsavers.org Fri Feb 21 20:45:32 2014 From: aek at bitsavers.org (Al Kossow) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 17:45:32 -0800 Subject: [Simh] Telnet problem with WinXP In-Reply-To: <2750908342AC45F99335850929CBDE04@rover2> References: <2750908342AC45F99335850929CBDE04@rover2> Message-ID: <5308013C.9000506@bitsavers.org> On 2/21/14 4:53 PM, Mark Emmer wrote: > This is the ONLY change I've made to the sim*.* and scp*.* files. I have > made a number of changes to the sds*.* files fixing bugs in the course of > getting the SDS 940 TSS monitor and exec running, but I'll post or commit > those later, when I'm further along. > This is wonderful news! The problem has been reconstructing the drum image from the existing binaries in the file system images. From simh at alderson.users.panix.com Sun Feb 23 18:33:12 2014 From: simh at alderson.users.panix.com (Rich Alderson) Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 18:33:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Simh] Tim Litt Message-ID: <20140223233312.9B803242E3@panix5.panix.com> Tim, If you're out there, please contact me off-line. I have some questions only you have the answers to. Thanks, Rich Alderson