[Simh] SIMH on Windows CE

[Dave]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com 
> [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com] On Behalf Of Jason Stevens
> Sent: 20 December 2010 20:37
> To: Ian King
> Cc: simh at trailing-edge.com; Gregg Levine
> Subject: Re: [Simh] SIMH on Windows CE
> 
> 
> NT Lite would be .. nice.. then again just look at NT 4.0 and 
> it's perfect for embedded space, it's so TINY by modern 
> requirements....

Yes but MT4 lacks USB support...

> 
> What always bothered me about CE is that the x86 cpu is so... 
> second class, I know it was going to be a brave new RISC 
> world, but wow is building x86 exe's outside of Platform 
> Builder such a PITA.... Like in this project I'm hoping to 
> 'borrow' nethack's windows console, and it's taken me all day 
> to get an x86 version.... Then again it could be me too.... 
> Funny how the x86emu wouldnt build on embeded VC 4, but it 
> does on 3.... Oh well.
> 
> I'm just glad I didn't toss my 2.11 stuff, it's been a lifesaver!
> 
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:51 PM, Ian King <IanK at vulcan.com> wrote:
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jason Stevens [mailto:neozeed at gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 9:30 AM
> >> To: Gregg Levine
> >> Cc: simh at trailing-edge.com; Ian King
> >> Subject: Re: [Simh] SIMH on Windows CE
> >>
> >> The MS pages really vary wildly in quality, the 'tech' 
> stuff seems to 
> >> miss major details, and the blog stuff seems include major 
> details in 
> >> passing...
> >>
> >> Luckily for me this site, hpcfactor 
> (http://www.hpcfactor.com/) has a 
> >> lot of the old VC toolkits for CE.. which has been a 
> massive help.  I 
> >> just hate how MS pretends old products never existed... But at the 
> >> same time, I'm kind of liking the setup... I must be 
> weird, I guess.
> >>
> >
> > You think MS is bad?  Try HP....
> >
> > I was the test manager for the Windows CE core in the 4.2 and 5.0 
> > days.  Even between those two releases there were breaking changes 
> > that typically required app code changes.  No, it wasn't signed 
> > packages or anything like that, just lots of API changes.  That was 
> > also the early days of the .Net Compact Framework as it was 
> called, so 
> > "managed code" was just coming into vogue as 5.0 was shipping.
> >
> > Since then, they've completely restructured the kernel - 
> essentially 
> > "NT Lite."  I have no idea how that impacted product development in 
> > the environment (I left Microsoft in 2008).  But it can't be good.  
> > :-)
> >
> > There was also a lot of confusion and conflict as to the purpose of 
> > CE.  By the 5.0 timeframe, the "smart phone" folks thought 
> they were 
> > the only customer and all development should focus on making them 
> > happy (even though they had not a clue just what they wanted or 
> > needed).  Sad, really: there were a lot of folks who worked hard to 
> > make a good embedded (soft) real-time OS that was 
> subsequently hacked 
> > into a series of geeky toys that existed primarily to sell 
> more copies 
> > of Windows.
> >
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